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More County Chaos
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Darren Thornton
2007-11-04 02:01:31 UTC
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The last episode made you wonder if the writers' strike started
early. One good point was seeing Haleh again. The lifers must be
working as temps now. Did someone forget that Frank's married?
Abby should never go into politics. She's a terrible liar.
It's never fun to see even a fictional character go downhill. Another
example was Mary on 7th Heaven. That show's producers appeared to have
done little research on ministers.
Coburn won't go easy if Abby lied about going to meetings. What
was in the bag? We saw her near Franklin Street. I don't blame her for
firing the nanny. But who was watching Joe now? In the meantime, take
some time off.
Does anyone care for Harold? I'd like to know more about his
background. Not all homeschooling parents do it for the same reason.
Many have religious reasons. Others aren't satisfied with the local
schools. Or like in Mean Girls, the family lives in Africa. Which
category is he in? That would explain a lot.
Neela would have grounds to dismiss him. She was a very bad
choice. But Morris isn't that great either. Which staff member, male
or female, should he have asked those questions? Sadly, we have few
good role models anymore. Not all of the previous cast were saints
either.
All this talk about boards has me confused. Exactly where are
Pratt and Morris in their training? The cramming bit has been done
before on sitcoms. Happy Days and Facts of Life are two examples.
I never believed in cramming concerning all-nighters. But who else has
been guilty of a lot of last minute studying? How potent are those Red
Bulls? Wouldn't Pratt get kicked out if he squeezed that toy?
Sam finally got another storyline. The bit about Alex got
dropped. Josh was a lot more responsible. But Tony could get in
serious trouble if the mom ever finds out the truth. What if Haleh had
challenged him instead?
Remember Doug's DNR teenager? Are any original medical plots
left? Fortunately, Sam was able to help Heather. This show has a lot
of young folks with inadequate supervision. What if she had asked for
help nicely? Suppose she'd inquired about a nearby Internet cafe. Will
this improve things with her dad? I'm not so sure.
Moreti was back to being a jerk. Different teaching styles
happen. But they can drive any student batty. I couldn't figure things
out regarding his son. Has anyone read that book? Where's the big
announcement? Will he be accompanying Abby to those meetings? Stay
tuned.
Moreti was right about the dangers of inexperience and arrogance.
I want a doctor who knows what he (or she) can do. Also, where is
their knowledge lacking? Let's see what the students' evaluation of him
is. Please, quit getting Abby to confront him!
We have another new doctor around. Note: introduce yourself
before bellyaching. It was dumb for Helen Crump to come chew out Andy
Taylor. Even dumber was making them an item. This lady doesn't look to
be around very long. Maybe she should take Morris on that ski trip.
Let's start a collection.
Things could have been much better. Those musical montages are
never a favorite of mine. Why not send TPTB to the bargain bins? Grab
a LP or 8-track at random. Choose a song off it the same way. Would
those choices be better?
Our chaplain was back. Losing a child can renew or destroy
someone's faith. At least she was there with the mother. Will we be
there next time too? What effect will the strike have on future
episodes?

Sincerely,
Darren Thornton
unknown
2007-11-04 03:02:30 UTC
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Post by Darren Thornton
The last episode made you wonder if the writers' strike started
early.
As someone else said it's like the writers strike starte when Clooney
left.
Post by Darren Thornton
Coburn won't go easy if Abby lied about going to meetings. What
was in the bag? We saw her near Franklin Street. I don't blame her for
firing the nanny. But who was watching Joe now? In the meantime, take
some time off.
Abby borrowed Hermoine's time peice to be able to watch the kid,
while at the same single handedly saving the patients in the
ER.
Post by Darren Thornton
All this talk about boards has me confused. Exactly where are
Pratt and Morris in their training? The cramming bit has been done
before on sitcoms. Happy Days and Facts of Life are two examples.
I never believed in cramming concerning all-nighters. But who else has
been guilty of a lot of last minute studying? How potent are those Red
Bulls? Wouldn't Pratt get kicked out if he squeezed that toy?
As I found from experience, cramming for exams doesn't work.
Post by Darren Thornton
Our chaplain was back. Losing a child can renew or destroy
someone's faith. At least she was there with the mother. Will we be
there next time too? What effect will the strike have on future
episodes?
A lot of repeats?
Dropping The Helicopter
2007-11-04 04:01:57 UTC
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Post by Darren Thornton
The last episode made you wonder if the writers' strike started
early. One good point was seeing Haleh again.
Wholeh? You mean the one nurse who had all of one three-word line?
Post by Darren Thornton
The lifers must be
working as temps now. Did someone forget that Frank's married?
Just the writers. Sorry, "writer". Sorry, "hack".
Post by Darren Thornton
Abby should never go into politics. She's a terrible liar.
It's never fun to see even a fictional character go downhill. Another
example was Mary on 7th Heaven. That show's producers appeared to have
done little research on ministers.
Coburn won't go easy if Abby lied about going to meetings. What
was in the bag? We saw her near Franklin Street. I don't blame her for
firing the nanny. But who was watching Joe now?
At least it ain't us, so that's good.
Post by Darren Thornton
In the meantime, take
some time off.
Does anyone care for Harold?
No.
Post by Darren Thornton
I'd like to know more about his
background.
That makes one of us.
Post by Darren Thornton
Not all homeschooling parents do it for the same reason.
Many have religious reasons. Others aren't satisfied with the local
schools. Or like in Mean Girls, the family lives in Africa. Which
category is he in? That would explain a lot.
My Inside Sources(tm) tell me that his backstory is that his parents
homeschooled him because they were not satisfied with the local
religious schools where the family lived, in Africa.

Hehheheee, oh man, I still got it! ;-)
Post by Darren Thornton
Neela would have grounds to dismiss him.
And of course in any non-farcical screenplay she of course would have at
a minimum informed him of exactly that fact. But since we're talking
about farceland here, that of course did not happen.
Post by Darren Thornton
She was a very bad
choice. But Morris isn't that great either. Which staff member, male
or female, should he have asked those questions? Sadly, we have few
good role models anymore. Not all of the previous cast were saints
either.
At this point you basically have to go with Morris, because he gets all
the chicks. Inexplicably.
Post by Darren Thornton
All this talk about boards has me confused.
And *that* makes *all* of us.
Post by Darren Thornton
Exactly where are
Pratt and Morris in their training?
Exactly what I'm thinking. I don't recall anybody else that's been a
practicing physician for years suddenly cramming for midterms.
Post by Darren Thornton
The cramming bit has been done
before on sitcoms. Happy Days and Facts of Life are two examples.
And just where do you think ER is getting its storylines these days?:

PROMO FOR ER S14E10:
====================
CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "Next week, on a shocking all-new ER: One of the
ER's finest doctors..."

[FLASH SHOT OF ABBY]

CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "...will crash..."

[FLASH SHOT OF MORRIS]

CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "...their motorcycle..."

[FLASH SHOT OF PINKY TUSCADERO]

CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "...and end up in a desperate fight for survival.
Meanwhile, one of ER's most beloved characters..."

[FLASH SHOT OF FRANK]

CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "...loses all his money..."

[FLASH SHOT OF PRATT]

CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "...to card sharks..."

[FLASH SHOT OF MORRIS AGAIN]

CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "...and his dad Tom Bosley..."

[FLASH PROMOTIONAL STILL OF TOM BOSLEY]

CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "...has to win it back. It's one ER you won't
want to miss."


PROMO FOR ER S14E16:
====================
CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "They've taken the good..."

[CLIP OF DOUG AND CAROL IN ALASKA]

CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "They've taken the bad..."

[CLIP OF LUCY KNIGHT AND CARTER GETTING STABBED TO THE TUNE OF
"BATTLEFLAG" BY THE LO-FIDELITY ALL-STARS]

CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "But can they take them both?"

[CLIP OF JEANNIE BOULET RETURNING TO THE ER]

CREEPY VOICEOVER GUY: "The world never seems to be living up to your
dreams on next week's all-new ER."
Post by Darren Thornton
I never believed in cramming concerning all-nighters. But who else has
been guilty of a lot of last minute studying?
Me.
Post by Darren Thornton
How potent are those Red
Bulls?
Pretty potent. Rumor has it they actually make you sprout
fully-functional wings.
Post by Darren Thornton
Wouldn't Pratt get kicked out if he squeezed that toy?
Yes. They'd probably not even let him in with it.
Post by Darren Thornton
Sam finally got another storyline.
Meh, she got three scenes, not a story line. Oh, wait, you're right,
this is ER, three scenes *IS* a storyline.
Post by Darren Thornton
The bit about Alex got
dropped.
Yep, thank God for small miracles. Except you know that's a setup for
Alex York/Sargent to make an appearance in the not-too-distant future.
Post by Darren Thornton
Josh was a lot more responsible. But Tony could get in
serious trouble if the mom ever finds out the truth. What if Haleh had
challenged him instead?
That whole thing was complete hokesville. "I cleared it with Ethics
first, and they're totally on board with LYING TO A MINOR'S LEGAL
GUARDIAN AND DENYING TREATMENT THEREBY! SO GO TO HELL SAM!" I'll have
two orders of Eyerolls please!
Post by Darren Thornton
Remember Doug's DNR teenager? Are any original medical plots
left?
Well, I hate to cut the "writers" any slack, but no, there aren't.
Post by Darren Thornton
Fortunately, Sam was able to help Heather.
I see that as extremely unfortunate.
Post by Darren Thornton
This show has a lot
of young folks with inadequate supervision. What if she had asked for
help nicely? Suppose she'd inquired about a nearby Internet cafe. Will
this improve things with her dad? I'm not so sure.
All I know is, I will seriously stop watching if Pseudogoth McBitchgirl
becomes a "story arc". A wise man once said, "That's all I can stands,
I can't stands no more!"
Post by Darren Thornton
Moreti was back to being a jerk. Different teaching styles
happen. But they can drive any student batty. I couldn't figure things
out regarding his son.
No, me either. It was semi-good though I thought (yeah, I'm as
surprised as you are that I just said that). The good part I thought
was right at the end where Sonny McScreamy is gesticulating as the music
played and Dr. McScreamy is watching him in what I saw as the "I'm
listening to you with my doctor hat on in an attempt to diagnose what's
going on in there" manner. That looked to me like some good acting
right there.

But there's no way Dr. McScreamy wouldn't have pushed and said, "Ok
sonny, what the hell is wrong?"
Post by Darren Thornton
Has anyone read that book? Where's the big
announcement? Will he be accompanying Abby to those meetings? Stay
tuned.
Moreti was right about the dangers of inexperience and arrogance.
He's arrogant.
Post by Darren Thornton
I want a doctor who knows what he (or she) can do. Also, where is
their knowledge lacking? Let's see what the students' evaluation of him
is. Please, quit getting Abby to confront him!
We have another new doctor around. Note: introduce yourself
before bellyaching.
Morris got a great line out of it though, so at least we have that.
Post by Darren Thornton
It was dumb for Helen Crump to come chew out Andy
Taylor. Even dumber was making them an item. This lady doesn't look to
be around very long. Maybe she should take Morris on that ski trip.
Let's start a collection.
Things could have been much better. Those musical montages are
never a favorite of mine. Why not send TPTB to the bargain bins? Grab
a LP or 8-track at random. Choose a song off it the same way. Would
those choices be better?
Huh? I thought that *was* what they were doing! ;-)
Post by Darren Thornton
Our chaplain was back. Losing a child can renew or destroy
someone's faith. At least she was there with the mother. Will we be
there next time too? What effect will the strike have on future
episodes?
Welp, since they can't physically get any worse....
Post by Darren Thornton
Sincerely,
Darren Thornton
Ellen K Hursh
2007-11-06 06:13:17 UTC
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On Nov 3, 10:01 pm, Dropping The Helicopter
Post by Dropping The Helicopter
How potent are those Red Bulls?
Pretty potent. Rumor has it they actually make you sprout
fully-functional wings.
We were somewhere around County General in the South Side when the Red
Bulls began to take hold....
Post by Dropping The Helicopter
The bit about Alex got dropped.
Yep, thank God for small miracles. Except you know that's a setup for
Alex York/Sargent to make an appearance in the not-too-distant future.
Next Thursday, A.D.
ruth
2007-11-05 15:39:45 UTC
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On Nov 3, 8:01 pm, ***@webtv.net (Darren Thornton) wrote:
All this talk about boards has me confused. Exactly where are
Post by Darren Thornton
Pratt and Morris in their training? The cramming bit has been done
before on sitcoms. Happy Days and Facts of Life are two examples.
I never believed in cramming concerning all-nighters. But who else has
been guilty of a lot of last minute studying? How potent are those Red
Bulls? Wouldn't Pratt get kicked out if he squeezed that toy?
Sincerely,
Darren Thornton
Pratt and Morris have both taken their medical boards. Those have to
be passed before you get the MD behind your name and start your
internship. They might be taking the ones to show specialization in
ER or Trauma (as in a board certified trauma physician). ruth
Hunter
2007-11-05 19:29:58 UTC
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Post by Darren Thornton
All this talk about boards has me confused. Exactly where are
Post by Darren Thornton
Pratt and Morris in their training? The cramming bit has been done
before on sitcoms. Happy Days and Facts of Life are two examples.
I never believed in cramming concerning all-nighters. But who else has
been guilty of a lot of last minute studying? How potent are those Red
Bulls? Wouldn't Pratt get kicked out if he squeezed that toy?
Sincerely,
Darren Thornton
Pratt and Morris have both taken their medical boards. Those have to
be passed before you get the MD behind your name and start your
internship. They might be taking the ones to show specialization in
ER or Trauma (as in a board certified trauma physician). ruth
---
I think Pratt and Morris are past the intern level?
--
----->Hunter

"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
Sharon Too
2007-11-05 21:11:18 UTC
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Post by Hunter
I think Pratt and Morris are past the intern level?
They get "MD" the day they graduate medical school. Then they intern, then
do 3-4 years of residency (or more depending on specialty) which is what
they have already completed. They are both Attendings now. I believe the
boards Pratt and Morris were taking had to do with getting 'boarded' in
their specialty, Emergency Medicine.
Ellen K Hursh
2007-11-06 06:03:07 UTC
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Post by Darren Thornton
It's never fun to see even a fictional character go downhill.
"Go"?
Post by Darren Thornton
Things could have been much better. Those musical montages are
never a favorite of mine. Why not send TPTB to the bargain bins? Grab
a LP or 8-track at random. Choose a song off it the same way. Would
those choices be better?
Maybe a little something from K-Tel, or perhaps some Freedom Rock.
sharon
2007-11-06 20:44:16 UTC
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Post by Darren Thornton
The last episode made you wonder if the writers' strike started
early. One good point was seeing Haleh again. The lifers must be
working as temps now. Did someone forget that Frank's married?
Abby should never go into politics. She's a terrible liar.
It's never fun to see even a fictional character go downhill. Another
example was Mary on 7th Heaven. That show's producers appeared to have
done little research on ministers.
7th Heaven made ER look like Shakespeare. As I recall, the Camdens labelled
Mary incorrigible and shipped her back East to live with her grandparents
because she drank half a beer once, at the age of 18. Her father also
confiscated the car she had purchased with her own money despite the fact
that she was a legal adult. I know more than a couple preacher's kids, and,
by 7th Heaven standards, they should've been sentenced to life in prison for
their underage alcohol intake.
Post by Darren Thornton
Coburn won't go easy if Abby lied about going to meetings. What
was in the bag? We saw her near Franklin Street. I don't blame her for
firing the nanny. But who was watching Joe now? In the meantime, take
some time off.
Considering Abby was looking longingly at the bottles of liquor on the
shelves like a kid in a candy store, I think we all know what was in the
bag.

Most likely, Abby fired the nanny not because of the incident at the park,
but because the nanny arrived the next morning and no doubt saw hungover
Abby and the aftermath of her drinking and wondered why a mother whose child
had just been released from an ER hours earlier was getting sh**faced rather
than taking care of her child.

Also, as Abby herself said, she likes misery and firing the nanny was just
one more way to sabotage things to give her an excuse for her drinking. Not
that she needs one. Interesting that she was 6 months behind on her charts,
indicating that Abby was losing control of her life long before Luka left.
This relapse has been years in the making.

Abby won't be taking time off because she enjoys playing the martyr and
thinking of herself as a victim. If she actually took charge of the
situation and tried to get a handle on things, she couldn't do that. She
has consistently chosen to be unhappy throughout her tenure on the show.
The past couple years with Luka were an anomaly and she is back to her
baseline now.
Post by Darren Thornton
Moreti was back to being a jerk. Different teaching styles
happen. But they can drive any student batty. I couldn't figure things
out regarding his son. Has anyone read that book? Where's the big
announcement? Will he be accompanying Abby to those meetings? Stay
tuned.
If I was guessing, I'd say Moretti's kid is going to turn out to be
schizophrenic. Could be due to substance abuse, though.

Please, quit getting Abby to confront him!

But Abby confronts everybody! She's the bestest one there, the only one who
really cares about the patients, the only one who knows what to do. Can you
imagine Mark or Carter or Pratt or even Doug speaking to their boss like
that when they were residents? As I have said before, Abby is out of
control and has been for a long, long time.
Post by Darren Thornton
Exactly where are
Pratt and Morris in their training?
There are different board exams in medicine that serve different purposes.
The board exams Abby flunked and then passed were for licensure and they are
3 part exams with the first two taken prior to finishing med school and the
third part taken usually during the internship. An intern or resident does
not need to have a medical license while training. Most of them get them at
some point, though, so they can moonlight.

Pratt and Morris would've taken the licensure exams (National Board of
Medical Examiners) 4-5 years ago when they graduated med school. They have
since finished their EM residency and have been practicing for about a year,
so they already have medical licenses. The boards they are taking are for
certification in Emergency Medicine. Those are sponsored by the American
Board of Emergency Medicine. There are two parts, one written, that they
probably took during their residency. Now, they are studying for the 5 hour
oral exam. If they pass, they are board certified in Emergency Medicine.
County probably requires all of its docs to be board certified in a
specialty, most hospitals do.

Sharon
Ellen K Hursh
2007-11-07 19:49:50 UTC
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Post by sharon
Post by Darren Thornton
The last episode made you wonder if the writers' strike started
early. One good point was seeing Haleh again. The lifers must be
working as temps now. Did someone forget that Frank's married?
Abby should never go into politics. She's a terrible liar.
It's never fun to see even a fictional character go downhill. Another
example was Mary on 7th Heaven. That show's producers appeared to have
done little research on ministers.
7th Heaven made ER look like Shakespeare. As I recall, the Camdens labelled
Mary incorrigible and shipped her back East to live with her grandparents
because she drank half a beer once, at the age of 18. Her father also
confiscated the car she had purchased with her own money despite the fact
that she was a legal adult.
Doesn't that count as grand theft auto? (I know... doesn't sound like
that show bears too much analysis)
Post by sharon
Most likely, Abby fired the nanny not because of the incident at the park,
but because the nanny arrived the next morning and no doubt saw hungover
Abby and the aftermath of her drinking and wondered why a mother whose child
had just been released from an ER hours earlier was getting sh**faced rather
than taking care of her child.
A little pre-emptive strike, perhaps, before the nanny could call
DCFS. ("Well, of COURSE she'd say that about me - she's just mad
because I fired her.")
Cory
2007-11-08 05:15:59 UTC
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Post by Ellen K Hursh
Post by sharon
Post by Darren Thornton
The last episode made you wonder if the writers' strike started
early. One good point was seeing Haleh again. The lifers must be
working as temps now. Did someone forget that Frank's married?
Abby should never go into politics. She's a terrible liar.
It's never fun to see even a fictional character go downhill. Another
example was Mary on 7th Heaven. That show's producers appeared to have
done little research on ministers.
7th Heaven made ER look like Shakespeare. As I recall, the Camdens labelled
Mary incorrigible and shipped her back East to live with her grandparents
because she drank half a beer once,
Was this before or after she and her friends completely, utterly,
totally trashed the high school gym because they were angry with their
basketball coach for locking them out of practice because of their low
grades??

Hmm?
Post by Ellen K Hursh
Post by sharon
at the age of 18. Her father also confiscated the car she had
purchased with her own money despite the fact that she was a legal adult.
Doesn't that count as grand theft auto? (I know... doesn't sound like
that show bears too much analysis)
I believe that the insurance was in Rev. Camden's name. If it *was*,
that meant that if Eric didn't pay for the insurance on Mary's car, she
couldn't drive it. AIR, Eric chose not to pay for it, saying that if
Mary chose to work instead of go to college, then she could pay for her
own car insurance.

Having said ALL of this, TIIC screwed up 7th Heaven so badly when
Jessica Biel went stupid and posed for GEAR, that they really, really
should have ended the show the season after she left. TIIC failed to
comprehend that they'd have other actors (Barry Watson, David Gallagher)
who'd want to leave the show before it was over, as well, and they did
NOT handle making up for the departures of these two actors/characters
that well AT ALL.

JM2CW... and yes, I know WAY too much about this... ;-)

--- Cory
sharon
2007-11-08 11:54:56 UTC
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Post by Cory
Post by Ellen K Hursh
Post by sharon
Post by Darren Thornton
The last episode made you wonder if the writers' strike started
early. One good point was seeing Haleh again. The lifers must be
working as temps now. Did someone forget that Frank's married?
Abby should never go into politics. She's a terrible liar.
It's never fun to see even a fictional character go downhill.
Another
example was Mary on 7th Heaven. That show's producers appeared to have
done little research on ministers.
7th Heaven made ER look like Shakespeare. As I recall, the Camdens labelled
Mary incorrigible and shipped her back East to live with her grandparents
because she drank half a beer once,
Was this before or after she and her friends completely, utterly,
totally trashed the high school gym because they were angry with their
basketball coach for locking them out of practice because of their low
grades??
As I recall, they TP'd the gym, and were made to clean it up. I'd daresay
that just a couple of us here on the NG might've done some TP'ing in high
school. Not exactly 'completely, utterly, and totally trashed'. The
Camrents acted like she'd burned the building to the ground, however, and
thus began the trashing of the character of Mary for no apparent reason,
except that TPTB were pissed that JB wanted to move on to adult roles in
other venues.
Post by Cory
Hmm?
Post by Ellen K Hursh
Post by sharon
at the age of 18. Her father also confiscated the car she had
purchased with her own money despite the fact that she was a legal adult.
Doesn't that count as grand theft auto? (I know... doesn't sound like
that show bears too much analysis)
I believe that the insurance was in Rev. Camden's name. If it *was*,
that meant that if Eric didn't pay for the insurance on Mary's car, she
couldn't drive it. AIR, Eric chose not to pay for it, saying that if
Mary chose to work instead of go to college, then she could pay for her
own car insurance.
You're right, he did tell her she had to earn the money to pay for her
insurance, which is fine by me. But, then, later, when she had been caught
drinking half a beer and was hanging out with friends who smoked pot
(egads!), he told her to hand over her car keys, he was confiscating her
car. She was over 18 at the time and had bought the car herself. I feel
safe in saying that is not kosher. The Camrents were fascist dictators when
it came to Mary. I really think TPTB got pissed at Jessica Biel when she
posed for an adult magazine and refused to be stereotyped as conservative,
virginal Mary and decided to make her character OMG! TEH EVOL! by having
her do stuff that was actually pretty tame in today's world and having her
TV parents completely overreact and freak out.
Post by Cory
Having said ALL of this, TIIC screwed up 7th Heaven so badly when
Jessica Biel went stupid and posed for GEAR, that they really, really
should have ended the show the season after she left. TIIC failed to
comprehend that they'd have other actors (Barry Watson, David Gallagher)
who'd want to leave the show before it was over, as well, and they did
NOT handle making up for the departures of these two actors/characters
that well AT ALL.
It was, however, the most ridiculously over the top and unbelievable show on
TV. None of it made any sense whatsoever.
Post by Cory
JM2CW... and yes, I know WAY too much about this... ;-)
--- Cory
Me too! But even I couldn't watch the last couple seasons, this show was
surely one of the worst written, worst acted and completely unrealistic ones
on TV ever.

Sharon
unknown
2007-11-08 16:03:42 UTC
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Post by sharon
You're right, he did tell her she had to earn the money to pay for her
insurance, which is fine by me. But, then, later, when she had been caught
drinking half a beer and was hanging out with friends who smoked pot
(egads!), he told her to hand over her car keys, he was confiscating her
car. She was over 18 at the time and had bought the car herself. I feel
safe in saying that is not kosher. The Camrents were fascist dictators when
it came to Mary. I really think TPTB got pissed at Jessica Biel when she
posed for an adult magazine and refused to be stereotyped as conservative,
virginal Mary and decided to make her character OMG! TEH EVOL! by having
her do stuff that was actually pretty tame in today's world and having her
TV parents completely overreact and freak out.
One of the problems that the show ran into when JB posed for the
photos AS couldn't say very much because was listed as an
editor for the magazine.
Post by sharon
Me too! But even I couldn't watch the last couple seasons, this show was
surely one of the worst written, worst acted and completely unrealistic ones
on TV ever.
Nope, that would be ER by a landslide.

7th Heaven had it's problems but those problems pale as compared to
ER. (Read: Abby)
Cory
2007-11-08 16:48:36 UTC
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In article <kOCYi.6402$***@newsfe15.lga>, ***@nowhere.com
says...
Post by sharon
Post by Cory
Post by sharon
Post by Darren Thornton
The last episode made you wonder if the writers' strike started
early. One good point was seeing Haleh again. The lifers must be
working as temps now. Did someone forget that Frank's married?
Abby should never go into politics. She's a terrible liar.
It's never fun to see even a fictional character go downhill.
Another
example was Mary on 7th Heaven. That show's producers appeared to have
done little research on ministers.
7th Heaven made ER look like Shakespeare. As I recall, the Camdens
labelled Mary incorrigible and shipped her back East to live with her
grandparents because she drank half a beer once,
Was this before or after she and her friends completely, utterly,
totally trashed the high school gym because they were angry with their
basketball coach for locking them out of practice because of their low
grades??
As I recall, they TP'd the gym, and were made to clean it up. I'd daresay
that just a couple of us here on the NG might've done some TP'ing in high
school. Not exactly 'completely, utterly, and totally trashed'.
They trashed the gym. They did more than just TP it. They somehow got
a hold of paint and splattered it all over the place. They wrecked the
finish of the gym floor, and the floor had to be re-sanded and re-sealed
or re-varnished, which costs thousands of dollars to do to begin with,
and when you have to remove paint in the process, it'll cost more.

They did a lot more than just "TP'd the gym".
Post by sharon
The Camrents acted like she'd burned the building to the ground, however, and
thus began the trashing of the character of Mary for no apparent reason,
except that TPTB were pissed that JB wanted to move on to adult roles in
other venues.
Like I said, TPTB didn't prepare for this possibility - at all, which
was REALLY poor planning on their part.

<snip...>
Post by sharon
Post by Cory
JM2CW... and yes, I know WAY too much about this... ;-)
--- Cory
Me too! But even I couldn't watch the last couple seasons, this show was
surely one of the worst written, worst acted and completely unrealistic ones
on TV ever.
Sharon
7th Heaven, when the kids were young, was actually not a half-bad family
show. They explored some major issues that every family should talk
about, albeit in probably what was an overly simplistic way.

--- Cory
unknown
2007-11-08 21:31:32 UTC
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Post by Cory
They trashed the gym. They did more than just TP it. They somehow got
a hold of paint and splattered it all over the place. They wrecked the
finish of the gym floor, and the floor had to be re-sanded and re-sealed
or re-varnished, which costs thousands of dollars to do to begin with,
and when you have to remove paint in the process, it'll cost more.
They did a lot more than just "TP'd the gym".
My understanding is that you're talking many millions of dollars to go
and completely replace the floor. That is one of the reasons why when
I was in school they insisted that you only walk on the gym floor with
sneakers or socks.

I'm also under the distinct impression that when it comes to this
type of thing it's usually cheaper to replace the entire floor
rather than sand it down, refinish it, re seal it and the handle the
massive clean up of dust in the general vacinity.

Oh and i'd also point out if the floor is ruined there is a good
chance the concrete floor under is also ruined and has to be
replaced. If that is the case you're talking big bucks.

So what is "minor" damege to the gym quickly becomes major
damage where the gym has to be gutted to repair it. And this
is in a school that is already strapped budget wise.
Post by Cory
Post by sharon
The Camrents acted like she'd burned the building to the ground, however, and
thus began the trashing of the character of Mary for no apparent reason,
except that TPTB were pissed that JB wanted to move on to adult roles in
other venues.
When you consider that to repair the floor they essentially have to
gut the gym it almost like she burned it to the ground.
Cory
2007-11-08 23:27:30 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, Nina Jarvis
<Don't bother send to usenet> says...

<snip... somebody said...>
Post by unknown
Post by sharon
The Camrents
It's Camdens, FTR.
Post by unknown
Post by sharon
acted like she'd burned the building to the ground, however, and
thus began the trashing of the character of Mary for no apparent reason,
I DO agree with you here. Mary's trashing the gym was *completely* out
of character, and this is one of the things that I was kinda getting at
when I said that TIIC weren't prepared for the older kids (Matt, Mary,
and even Simon, too) to leave the show. They didn't know how to write
them out, and as a result, assassinated the characters in the end
(especially Mary), in part because they seemed to be so blindsided by
the fact that the older kids would want to leave the show at some point
and move on to other things. I do not believe for a second that AS was
expecting that to happen, which is a result of his own arrogance,
IMNSHO. Having said that, I DO have a vague recollection that JB wanted
to be released from her contractual obligations to 7H EARLY, which is,
like, a pipe dream when you have as successful a show as 7H was at the
time (like the show or don't like the show, you have to remember that
7H, to this day, still remains the WB's/CW's longest running show [10
years]).
Post by unknown
Post by sharon
except that TPTB were pissed that JB wanted to move on to adult roles in
other venues.
When you consider that to repair the floor they essentially have to
gut the gym it almost like she burned it to the ground.
Exactly. I wanna find a script online somewhere for the episodes that
followed the actual trashing of the gym, because ISTR an actual dollar
amount was given WRT the damages the vandalism resulted in. The dollar
amount given was a big amount. Weren't the kids even surprised that the
dollar amount of damages was as high as it was, because they didn't seem
to think that they'd done that much to the gym (which is why I'm
remembering things about having to, essentially, "re-do" the entire
floor)??

--- Cory
sharon
2007-11-09 00:45:47 UTC
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Post by Cory
<Don't bother send to usenet> says...
<snip... somebody said...>
Post by unknown
Post by sharon
The Camrents
It's Camdens, FTR.
Yeah, I know, Camrents is a contraction of Camden parents used at another
site.
Post by Cory
Post by unknown
Post by sharon
acted like she'd burned the building to the ground, however, and
thus began the trashing of the character of Mary for no apparent reason,
I DO agree with you here. Mary's trashing the gym was *completely* out
of character, and this is one of the things that I was kinda getting at
when I said that TIIC weren't prepared for the older kids (Matt, Mary,
and even Simon, too) to leave the show. They didn't know how to write
them out, and as a result, assassinated the characters in the end
(especially Mary), in part because they seemed to be so blindsided by
the fact that the older kids would want to leave the show at some point
and move on to other things. I do not believe for a second that AS was
expecting that to happen, which is a result of his own arrogance,
IMNSHO. Having said that, I DO have a vague recollection that JB wanted
to be released from her contractual obligations to 7H EARLY, which is,
like, a pipe dream when you have as successful a show as 7H was at the
time (like the show or don't like the show, you have to remember that
7H, to this day, still remains the WB's/CW's longest running show [10
years]).
Post by unknown
Post by sharon
except that TPTB were pissed that JB wanted to move on to adult roles in
other venues.
When you consider that to repair the floor they essentially have to
gut the gym it almost like she burned it to the ground.
Exactly. I wanna find a script online somewhere for the episodes that
followed the actual trashing of the gym, because ISTR an actual dollar
amount was given WRT the damages the vandalism resulted in. The dollar
amount given was a big amount. Weren't the kids even surprised that the
dollar amount of damages was as high as it was, because they didn't seem
to think that they'd done that much to the gym (which is why I'm
remembering things about having to, essentially, "re-do" the entire
floor)??
--- Cory
In any event, whatever the damages; it was an isolated event, Mary had been
basically a good kid until then, and she was one of a whole group of kids
who committed the vandalism., Yet, her parents acted like she was Public
Enemy Number One from that moment forward on the show. And, for all the
supposed damages, I don't recall that Mary or any of the other culprits were
arrested or prosecuted, which makes no sense at all. There's no way a
school wouldn't make an example of kids who committed that sort of
destruction, if it was really all that terrible. And, of course, the
Camdens were always claiming poverty, living on a preacher's salary with a
gaggle of kids (in a humongous and beautiful house provided by the
congregation), so how could they possibly have come up with their share of
the damages if they were in the tens of thousands? Made no sense at all.

Sharon
Cory
2007-11-09 01:48:10 UTC
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In article <%4OYi.6429$***@newsfe15.lga>, ***@nowhere.com
says...
Post by sharon
Post by Cory
<Don't bother send to usenet> says...
<snip... somebody said...>
Post by sharon
The Camrents
It's Camdens, FTR.
Yeah, I know, Camrents is a contraction of Camden parents used at another
site.
Gotcha!

<snip...>
Post by sharon
In any event, whatever the damages; it was an isolated event, Mary had been
basically a good kid until then, and she was one of a whole group of kids
who committed the vandalism., Yet, her parents acted like she was Public
Enemy Number One from that moment forward on the show. And, for all the
supposed damages, I don't recall that Mary or any of the other culprits were
arrested or prosecuted, which makes no sense at all.
Mary entered a pre-trial diversion program, the conditions of which were
that if she successfully completed the terms of the program, the charges
would be expunged from her record completely.
Post by sharon
There's no way a
school wouldn't make an example of kids who committed that sort of
destruction, if it was really all that terrible. And, of course, the
Camdens were always claiming poverty, living on a preacher's salary with a
gaggle of kids (in a humongous and beautiful house provided by the
congregation), so how could they possibly have come up with their share of
the damages if they were in the tens of thousands? Made no sense at all.
Sharon
I swear to God I remember something about the Colonel helping Eric and
Annie pay for the damages, which, in the end, had something to do with
why she ended up with the Colonel and Ruth. ISTR Mary's going to live
with the Colonel had a lot more to do with just plain old rehabilitation
and the Colonel being the one man to effect good rehab. ISTR that the
other reason Mary was sent there was to pay off a debt to the Colonel,
and I THINK the debt was connected to the vandalism of the gym.

Having said all of this, yes, the whole storyline that was concocted to
facilitate JB's departure from 7H was, from start to finish, hackneyed,
to say the least.

--- Cory
unknown
2007-11-09 15:17:49 UTC
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Post by Cory
I DO agree with you here. Mary's trashing the gym was *completely* out
of character, and this is one of the things that I was kinda getting at
when I said that TIIC weren't prepared for the older kids (Matt, Mary,
and even Simon, too) to leave the show. They didn't know how to write
them out, and as a result, assassinated the characters in the end
(especially Mary), in part because they seemed to be so blindsided by
the fact that the older kids would want to leave the show at some point
and move on to other things. I do not believe for a second that AS was
expecting that to happen, which is a result of his own arrogance,
IMNSHO. Having said that, I DO have a vague recollection that JB wanted
to be released from her contractual obligations to 7H EARLY, which is,
like, a pipe dream when you have as successful a show as 7H was at the
time (like the show or don't like the show, you have to remember that
7H, to this day, still remains the WB's/CW's longest running show [10
years]).
Yes it was WB's highest rated show. The ratings would have gotten
it cancelled on Fox/ABC/NBC/CBS.

But the ratings were good for the WB.
Hunter
2007-11-06 23:01:21 UTC
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Post by Darren Thornton
The last episode made you wonder if the writers' strike started
early. One good point was seeing Haleh again. The lifers must be
working as temps now. Did someone forget that Frank's married?
----
Married Men and Women flirt with those who aren't their spouses.
Post by Darren Thornton
Abby should never go into politics. She's a terrible liar.
It's never fun to see even a fictional character go downhill. Another
example was Mary on 7th Heaven. That show's producers appeared to have
done little research on ministers.
----
Well, unlike TV in the past fictional chraracters occationally go
downhill just like people in real life. More interesting that way.
Post by Darren Thornton
Coburn won't go easy if Abby lied about going to meetings.
---
She is her sponsor, not her parent. It is up to Abby to want to help
herself
Post by Darren Thornton
What was in the bag? We saw her near Franklin Street.
---
Probably booze and I think that is where she lives.
Post by Darren Thornton
I don't blame her for firing the nanny.
---
I can understand it too but it as she said was an emotional thing while
she knew intellectually she had nothing to do with his fall. I hope at
least she would give her a good reference if she acknowledge that it
wasn't her fault.
Post by Darren Thornton
But who was watching Joe now?
----
Another nanny? A trusted neighbor?
Post by Darren Thornton
In the meantime, take some time off.
----
More than that, go back to her "AA" meetings.
Post by Darren Thornton
Does anyone care for Harold? I'd like to know more about his
background. Not all homeschooling parents do it for the same reason.
Many have religious reasons. Others aren't satisfied with the local
schools. Or like in Mean Girls, the family lives in Africa. Which
category is he in? That would explain a lot.
---
Post by Darren Thornton
Neela would have grounds to dismiss him.
---
For what? Asking questions innocently? There was no lecherous intent and
it would badly hurt his career before it got off the ground. I am against
sexual harrassment but sure given the context women can have tougher skin
than that. Neela isn't a nun and isn't going to fold with the mention of
sex. I would like toknow more of his background it probably was mentioned
a little before but I have forgotten if it was.
Post by Darren Thornton
She was a very bad
choice. But Morris isn't that great either. Which staff member, male
or female, should he have asked those questions? Sadly, we have few
good role models anymore. Not all of the previous cast were saints
either.
---
Who are? Besides should she or anyone else give an idealized version or
what happens in the real world?
Post by Darren Thornton
All this talk about boards has me confused. Exactly where are
Pratt and Morris in their training?
---
Sharon could probably answer that question. Medical education is an on
going process.
Post by Darren Thornton
The cramming bit has been done before on sitcoms. Happy Days and Facts of Life are two examples.
I never believed in cramming concerning all-nighters. But who else has
been guilty of a lot of last minute studying?
----
Everybody! From first grade to graduate school.
Post by Darren Thornton
How potent are those Red Bulls?
---
Caffine kick more powerful than coffee if I understand correctly.
Post by Darren Thornton
Wouldn't Pratt get kicked out if he squeezed that toy?
---
Why?
Post by Darren Thornton
Sam finally got another storyline. The bit about Alex got
dropped.
----
Not neccessarily dropped but in dormancy.
Post by Darren Thornton
Josh was a lot more responsible. But Tony could get in
serious trouble if the mom ever finds out the truth.
----
That is why he cleared it with another attending and got ethical back up.
Still yes the mother could make an legal issue with it.
Post by Darren Thornton
What if Haleh had challenged him instead?
---
He wouldn't had taken that tone but I think he would have had her follow
his orders. Of course I don't think Haleh would had challenged him in the
first place. I think it was the fact that Sam has a boy close to her
son's age that was a factor.
Post by Darren Thornton
Remember Doug's DNR teenager? Are any original medical plots
left?
---
I doubt it. I guess we have to look for how a different character would
handle the same situation to look for "originality". What was the context
of the DNR in Doug's case hold old(er) was the teenager in his case?
Anyway, you will have to resort to exoctic dieases to get originality of
any sort like on "House".
Post by Darren Thornton
Fortunately, Sam was able to help Heather. This show has a lot
of young folks with inadequate supervision.
----
You get that at a public hospital.
Post by Darren Thornton
What if she had asked for help nicely?
---
That is the point, she is a troubled teenager who can't ask for help,
only act out.
Post by Darren Thornton
Suppose she'd inquired about a nearby Internet cafe. Will
this improve things with her dad? I'm not so sure.
----
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on why they are estranged.
Post by Darren Thornton
Moreti was back to being a jerk. Different teaching styles
happen.
---
He is not like "The Nazi" Miranda Bailey on "Grey's Anatomy". In many
ways internship is like boot camp.
Post by Darren Thornton
But they can drive any student batty. I couldn't figure things
out regarding his son. Has anyone read that book? Where's the big
announcement? Will he be accompanying Abby to those meetings? Stay tuned.
---
I am suspecting mental illness. He is of the right age for schzophrenia
that would explain why he was talking to his father into the wee hours
with so much energy while his dad looked resigned and drained. If it was
drugs and/or alchol he wouldn't be so resigned I would think.
Post by Darren Thornton
Moreti was right about the dangers of inexperience and arrogance.
I want a doctor who knows what he (or she) can do. Also, where is
their knowledge lacking? Let's see what the students' evaluation of him
is.
----
It is a teaching hospital. That is how they learn unfortunately. I want a
doctor with some gray hair to but in order to get to that stage they have
to get experience. Just hope they don't make a mistake on you or me!
Post by Darren Thornton
Please, quit getting Abby to confront him!
-----
Most of the other doctors probably agree with his non "touchy feely"
style except for Gates and they have butted heads too many times.
Post by Darren Thornton
We have another new doctor around. Note: introduce yourself
before bellyaching. It was dumb for Helen Crump to come chew out Andy
Taylor. Even dumber was making them an item. This lady doesn't look to
be around very long. Maybe she should take Morris on that ski trip.
---
She won't be it seems since she said she is leaving in December but yes
she should had intoduced herself first.
Post by Darren Thornton
Let's start a collection.
----
????
Post by Darren Thornton
Things could have been much better. Those musical montages are
never a favorite of mine. Why not send TPTB to the bargain bins? Grab
a LP or 8-track at random. Choose a song off it the same way. Would
those choices be better?
----
Matter of taste so I won't comment.
Post by Darren Thornton
Our chaplain was back. Losing a child can renew or destroy
someone's faith. At least she was there with the mother. Will we be
there next time too?
---
I am sure she gets a lot of work off screen.
Post by Darren Thornton
What effect will the strike have on future
episodes?
Sincerely,
Darren Thornton
----
How many are in the can or with the scripts written and only shooting to
start? I hear that "Heroes" is rewriting an episode with an alternate
ending that could function as a season finale cliffhanger instead of a
mid season cliffhanger.
--
----->Hunter

"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."

-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
sharon
2007-11-06 23:55:32 UTC
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">> What effect will the strike have on future
Post by Hunter
Post by Darren Thornton
episodes?
Sincerely,
Darren Thornton
----
How many are in the can or with the scripts written and only shooting to
start? I hear that "Heroes" is rewriting an episode with an alternate
ending that could function as a season finale cliffhanger instead of a
mid season cliffhanger.
--
----->Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
ER has at least the first 11 eppies of the season written at this point,
taking them into January.

Sharon
Dropping The Helicopter
2007-11-07 23:46:18 UTC
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Post by Hunter
Post by Darren Thornton
The last episode made you wonder if the writers' strike started
early. One good point was seeing Haleh again. The lifers must be
working as temps now. Did someone forget that Frank's married?
----
Married Men and Women flirt with those who aren't their spouses.
HUH??!?!? SINCE WHEN?!?!?

;-)
DawnK
2007-11-24 06:00:32 UTC
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Post by Darren Thornton
Does anyone care for Harold? I'd like to know more about his
background. Not all homeschooling parents do it for the same reason.
Many have religious reasons. Others aren't satisfied with the local
schools. Or like in Mean Girls, the family lives in Africa. Which
category is he in? That would explain a lot.
I think Harold is fairly smart, he's just kind of dopey! LOL!
Post by Darren Thornton
Post by Darren Thornton
All this talk about boards has me confused. Exactly where
are
Pratt and Morris in their training? The cramming bit has been done
before on sitcoms. Happy Days and Facts of Life are two examples.
I never believed in cramming concerning all-nighters. But who else has
been guilty of a lot of last minute studying? How potent are those Red
Bulls? Wouldn't Pratt get kicked out if he squeezed that toy?
I never pulled all-nighters in college. How can you possibly do well on a
test, if you can barely stay awake!

Dawn

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