Did becoming gay ruin Kerry Weaver?

Post by SassySaxonMD
Personally speaking, I think it ruined her character when she became a lesbian.
She still doesnt convince me that she is gay and Laura comes across as
uncomfortable playing the part in later seasons, particulary when they brought
in Lisa Vidal, who wasnt a match for Innes in acting stakes
What do you all think?

I agree with you....I would have rather that they explored the storyline of
her and the African guy she was hugging all over ages ago..what was her life
there and what ties did she have to him? And since she did used to live
there..why has she never mentioned anything about her experiences to Luka
and Carter, given their Congo trips. She seems like she has a problem not
knowing who she is all the time..Her character is just all over the board to
me. I love to hate her and think the writers need to have her getting in
trouble for some of her off the wall behavoir once in a while.
k.m.

SassySaxonMD

2004-06-18 18:05:12 UTC

A lot of ER viewers also wondered why Kerry never mentioned her days in Africa
(probably when Carter was in gold coloured diapers)

Userb3

2004-06-18 18:02:59 UTC

Post by SassySaxonMD
Personally speaking, I think it ruined her character when she became a
lesbian. She still doesnt convince me that she is gay and Laura comes
across as uncomfortable playing the part in later seasons, particulary
when they brought in Lisa Vidal, who wasnt a match for Innes in acting
stakes
What do you all think?

I think Dr. Weaver reminds me of a "late blooming lesbian" I know, and its
made her a lot more sympathetic and human than she used to be.

Sharon too

2004-06-18 18:07:46 UTC

Post by Userb3
I think Dr. Weaver reminds me of a "late blooming lesbian" I know, and its
made her a lot more sympathetic and human than she used to be.

The last time she had any sympathy was when Jeannie was first diagnosed HIV+
and TPTB didn't have her as gay back then. In fact she was boffing the
Cynergex guy somewhere around then. She's had a heart of stone since then.
TPTB ruined her.

-Sharon

Kristen

2004-06-18 18:15:16 UTC

No, I think being a cold-hearted bitch ruined Kerry Weaver! ;0)

Darrell Mayeda

2004-06-18 21:37:11 UTC

Post by Sharon too
The last time she had any sympathy was when Jeannie was first
diagnosed HIV+ and TPTB didn't have her as gay back then. In fact
she was boffing the Cynergex guy somewhere around then. She's had
a heart of stone since then. TPTB ruined her.
-Sharon

In her mind, Kerry got burned when synergix turned out to be not so
hot and she had to get the BOD to reject synergix. The guy said that
his romance with Kerry was separate. I think this may have made her
gun shy about getting involved with people
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The She Devil

2004-06-19 02:39:21 UTC

Post by Userb3

Post by SassySaxonMD
Personally speaking, I think it ruined her character when she became a
lesbian. She still doesnt convince me that she is gay and Laura comes
across as uncomfortable playing the part in later seasons, particulary
when they brought in Lisa Vidal, who wasnt a match for Innes in acting
stakes
What do you all think?

I think Dr. Weaver reminds me of a "late blooming lesbian" I know, and its
made her a lot more sympathetic and human than she used to be.

I think she could've always been gay and not really come to terms with
it. In her several seasons on the show, that guy from Africa and the
doctor that used her were the only men we ever saw her interested in.
Maybe she always had a hard time connecting with men because she was a
lesbian. It's feasible. I mean, she could be bisexual but lean more
towards women. It happens. But I don't think it ruined her character.
I think she was pretty comfortable with Lisa Vidal, especially the way
she acted on Lisa's last episode.

-- me

Caroline

2004-06-19 03:09:08 UTC

Post by The She Devil
I think she could've always been gay and not really come to terms with
it. In her several seasons on the show, that guy from Africa and the
doctor that used her were the only men we ever saw her interested in.
Maybe she always had a hard time connecting with men because she was a
lesbian.

Maybe having a hard time connecting with men instead drove her to "prefer"
women?

Post by The She Devil
It's feasible. I mean, she could be bisexual but lean more
towards women. It happens. But I don't think it ruined her character.
I think she was pretty comfortable with Lisa Vidal, especially the way
she acted on Lisa's last episode.

I think the writers made her gay because they thought it would help sell TV
commercial time.

Rap

2004-06-19 03:10:27 UTC

Maybe having a hard time connecting with men instead drove her to "prefer"
women?

I think the writers made her gay because they thought it would help sell TV
commercial time.

shhhhhhh thats a secret

The She Devil

2004-06-19 12:49:15 UTC

Post by Rap

Maybe having a hard time connecting with men instead drove her to "prefer"
women?

I think the writers made her gay because they thought it would help sell

Post by Caroline
commercial time.

shhhhhhh thats a secret

LOL. Don't let them know that we know! I mean, I guess it could be
true. But didn't John Wells or somebody say they were taking a lot of
shit for it at home? I don't know. I guess it doesn't matter if you're
making millions of bucks for it. I know it wouldn't to me.

-- me

SassySaxonMD

2004-06-19 13:41:32 UTC

Post by The She Devil
I guess it doesn't matter if you're
making millions of bucks for it. I know it wouldn't to me.

But viewers, who are always the most important thing to a TV show, are not
making milions from crap storylines

Userb3

2004-06-19 17:32:42 UTC

Post by SassySaxonMD

Post by The She Devil
I guess it doesn't matter if you're
making millions of bucks for it. I know it wouldn't to me.

But viewers, who are always the most important thing to a TV show, are
not making milions from crap storylines

*Advertisers* are the most important thing to a TV show.

Ellen K Hursh

2004-06-21 05:02:30 UTC

Post by Userb3

Post by SassySaxonMD

I guess it doesn't matter if you're making millions of bucks for it. I
know it wouldn't to me.

But viewers, who are always the most important thing to a TV show, are
not making milions from crap storylines

*Advertisers* are the most important thing to a TV show.

OTOH, viewers are what allow a network to charge a certain amount of money
for advertising time in a certain timeslot. An ad is going to cost more if
aired, say, during the Super Bowl (which gets millions of viewers) than
if it's aired, say, at 3AM (which gets a little less* than that number of
viewers). As long as the show that airs on NBC at 9PM on Thursdays
continues to bring in the minions^Wviewers, NBC gets to continue making
$bignum for commercials aired in that timeslot. If, however, said show
ceases to bring in the viewers, the sponsors aren't going to be as willing
to pay as much for advertising their products. (Of course, that depends on
how the number of viewers is being calculated.)

But aside from the above... yeah, the advertising dollar does indeed speak
loud and strong, and cop cheap feels in the dark. :-3

* I have no solid numbers to back me up on this (so someone feel free to
enlighten me otherwise), but I'm pretty sure that's why the cheesy
infomercials tend to run late at night.

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all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good
and crazy, ooh ooh ooh, the sky's the limit!" -- The Tick

Darrell Mayeda

2004-06-21 08:37:27 UTC

If, however, said show ceases
to bring in the viewers, the sponsors aren't going to be as
willing to pay as much for advertising their products.

A few years ago, a common tactic for certain organizations is to
threaten to have it's members boycott sponsors for a certain show
unless it's pulled off the air or changed. 90% of the time it
worked. Strangely enough a lot of these threats were made BEFORE the
shows were aired even once. How they managed to get a copy of the
show to make a judgement is the question.
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2004-06-25 04:40:50 UTC

If, however, said show ceases to bring in the viewers, the sponsors
aren't going to be as willing to pay as much for advertising their
products.

A few years ago, a common tactic for certain organizations is to
threaten to have it's members boycott sponsors for a certain show unless
it's pulled off the air or changed.

I remember the "WKRP" episode where one of the local churchies was trying
to get the station to censor their playlists, by threatening the sponsors
with boycotts. Finale of the first season, IIRC (possibly because nobody
was certain whether the show would return for a second season).

Post by Darrell Mayeda
90% of the time it worked. Strangely enough a lot of these threats were
made BEFORE the shows were aired even once. How they managed to get a
copy of the show to make a judgement is the question.

Who says they actually saw a copy of the show? All it would take would be
for the organizations to hear something like "Ooh, they're thinking about
doing a show about lesbian witches!", and they start up their machine.
Maybe the show tests poorly (due to, say, sucking), in which case it's
shelved or the format gets changed, at which point the organizations start
crowing and high-fiving each other. Or something.

Ellen K Hursh

2004-06-19 16:49:33 UTC

Post by The She Devil

Post by Userb3

Post by SassySaxonMD
Personally speaking, I think it ruined her character when she became
a lesbian. She still doesnt convince me that she is gay and Laura
comes across as uncomfortable playing the part in later seasons,
particulary when they brought in Lisa Vidal, who wasnt a match for
Innes in acting stakes
What do you all think?

I think Dr. Weaver reminds me of a "late blooming lesbian" I know, and
its made her a lot more sympathetic and human than she used to be.

I dunno... maybe there was a scene cut for syndication that I don't
remember, but I tend to believe him (that he *wasn't* using her).*

Post by The She Devil
Maybe she always had a hard time connecting with men because she was a
lesbian.

Hm... seems to me that she's always had a hard time connecting with
*anyone*, regardless of their significant bits. I suppose we'll see, if
she hooks up with another woman** before the end of the series.

One of the things *I* object to, is that one of the justifications has
been "Oh, but she's never had a relationship with a man work out!". By
that reasoning, Abby must practically be in line for switching teams -
her relationship history consists of what, a failed marriage and two
consecutive relationships that each lasted barely a year (if that long)?
(Although I suppose Kerby could be interesting, if written well-- oh, wait.)

Post by The She Devil
It's feasible. I mean, she could be bisexual but lean more
towards women.

Pretty much the only thing that's 100% is that she isn't straight, what
with the "sleeping with women" thing. (Not that They're about to risk
alienating certain viewers by making her bi, but anyway.)

Post by The She Devil
It happens. But I don't think it ruined her character. I
think she was pretty comfortable with Lisa Vidal, especially the way she
acted on Lisa's last episode.

Sure, the *last* episode... the one where we're supposed to go "Aw,
aren't these two just the cutest thing ever? Wouldn't it be a terrible
shame if something bad were to happen to this family unit?" (Probably
would've been more effective, though, if she'd shown up more than what...
four times? in the last two seasons.)

* Personally, I find it interesting that she mentions her parents having
been dead for a year (in "Nobody Doesn't Like Amanda Lee") almost exactly
a year after breaking up with Ellis. (That is, maybe they died while she
was off in the Caribbean with him?) Eh. Not that any of those blanks will
ever be filled in or anything.

** Kinda doubting it, but I guess we'll see what They pull out of their
asse-- I mean, hats.

Caroline

2004-06-19 18:00:42 UTC

snip

Post by Ellen K Hursh

I dunno... maybe there was a scene cut for syndication that I don't
remember, but I tend to believe him (that he *wasn't* using her).*

Post by The She Devil
Maybe she always had a hard time connecting with men because she was a
lesbian.

I see it as a potential contributing factor. Not thee justification but one that
may tip the scales.

Post by Ellen K Hursh
By
that reasoning, Abby must practically be in line for switching teams -
her relationship history consists of what, a failed marriage and two
consecutive relationships that each lasted barely a year (if that long)?

I don't see Abby as someone who was used by men. She's not into commitment,
period.

Kerry OTOH is a candidate for being someone who was used. Or at least she may
feel she was used. She is into commitment. That's why Legaspi was able to make
her feel so bad.

I agree the Ellis-Kerry affair was ambiguous. I lean more towards him using her
than actually loving her as a person. Also, I grant that LeGaspi used Kerry, so
Kerry's seen both genders being jerks. But I suspect, as a woman with a strong
personality, she doesn't suffer macho fools gladly and so has more emotional
scars and resentment to show from men than from women.

Ktatum423

2004-06-19 18:52:13 UTC

Post by Caroline
I agree the Ellis-Kerry affair was ambiguous. I lean more towards him using her
than actually loving her as a person.

But didn't he drop those contracts he wanted to get specifically because she
thought he was using her? I've watched a couple of those episodes on TNT
recently, and I think it's quite obvious from Kerry's interaction with Ellis
that she genuinely liked him and was attracted to him. I don't get full blown
lesbian vibes from her while she was with him.

I actually think turning Kerry into a lesbian hasn't been suhc a hot idea,
because the writers have paired her up with two women who were IMO quite nasty
and have her be utterly pathetic in her interactions with them. These
relationships are true fulfillment for Kerry? I don't think so.

What you had here was a character with a very ambiguous past, who didn't have
much of a personal life, so they decided to make her a lesbian because they
wanted a gay character. Professionally Kerry has a pretty solid place in the
show so they feel free to let her have her gay storylines while they can free
up any new characters for the heterosexual relationship merry go round.

Probably a better idea would have been to make Jorja Fox a regular back in the
day. I guess they didn't want to delve into it too deeply back then, though.

Caroline

2004-06-19 20:23:04 UTC

Post by Ktatum423

Post by Caroline
I agree the Ellis-Kerry affair was ambiguous. I lean more towards him using her
than actually loving her as a person.

But didn't he drop those contracts he wanted to get specifically because she
thought he was using her? I've watched a couple of those episodes on TNT
recently,

Last week where I live NBC ran the episode where Ellis claims to have dropped
the contracts so Kerry mightn't think he was using her.

My impression was he thought he couldn't win business-wise in this instance, so
he cut his losses so as to at least try to salvage his professional reputation.
The slut... ;-)

Post by Ktatum423
and I think it's quite obvious from Kerry's interaction with Ellis
that she genuinely liked him and was attracted to him.
I don't get full blown
lesbian vibes from her while she was with him.

I honestly don't know exactly what form "lesbian vibes" would take.

I'd say Kerry was looking for affection (like most people). Some of this
affection manifested through physical contact.

What would someone who hadn't previously felt themselves a lesbian have done
differently? No arousal during "sex"? (I really don't want to get all graphic
here. Ball's in your court.)

Post by Ktatum423
I actually think turning Kerry into a lesbian hasn't been suhc a hot idea,
because the writers have paired her up with two women who were IMO quite nasty
and have her be utterly pathetic in her interactions with them. These
relationships are true fulfillment for Kerry? I don't think so.

You didn't like Sandy?

Apart from her outrageous ideas about outing people, I liked her.

As for Legaspi, I don't know if she was nasty or if it's just that Legaspi and
Kerry were on different wavelengths when it came to sex. To one, sex was a mood.
To the other, sex meant commitment.

Which is why I think people should talk a lot more before sexual intimacy,
possibly sparing hurt feelings. But I don't want to force my evil Dr. Laura
opinions on people... ;-)

Post by Ktatum423
What you had here was a character with a very ambiguous past, who didn't have
much of a personal life, so they decided to make her a lesbian because they
wanted a gay character.

Yes! And the writers have made a fortune in advertising commercials as a result.
Brilliant! ;-)

Post by Ktatum423
Professionally Kerry has a pretty solid place in the
show so they feel free to let her have her gay storylines while they can free
up any new characters for the heterosexual relationship merry go round.

*&^%$#

Frank's marriage and maybe Shirley's (? woman assisting in op. room a lot)
marriage are the only ones that have worked on this show, and we hardly see any
of either marriages.

Marriage is a crime, pure and simple, according to "ER," with the penalty for
successful marriages being a brain tumor, death by burns sustained in a fire, or
move to rainy depressing Seattle.

Post by Ktatum423
Probably a better idea would have been to make Jorja Fox a regular back in the
day. I guess they didn't want to delve into it too deeply back then, though.

Who's Jorja?

Ktatum423

2004-06-19 20:54:41 UTC

Post by Caroline
My impression was he thought he couldn't win business-wise in this instance, so
he cut his losses so as to at least try to salvage his professional reputation.
The slut... ;-)

It's an option. But I never thought the book was closed on him using her.

I honestly don't know exactly what form "lesbian vibes" would take.
I'd say Kerry was looking for affection (like most people). Some of this
affection manifested through physical contact.
What would someone who hadn't previously felt themselves a lesbian have done
differently? No arousal during "sex"? (I really don't want to get all graphic
here. Ball's in your court.)

Hell if I know. Based on her relationship with him, though, she seemed more
likely to be a bisexual woman than a lesbian. There's also the matter of her
obscure marriage.

Post by Ktatum423
I actually think turning Kerry into a lesbian hasn't been suhc a hot idea,
because the writers have paired her up with two women who were IMO quite

nasty

Post by Ktatum423
and have her be utterly pathetic in her interactions with them. These
relationships are true fulfillment for Kerry? I don't think so.

You didn't like Sandy?

Lots of people didn't like Sandy. My tolerance level for that one falls
somewhere in the Jen Greene department.

Post by Ktatum423
Professionally Kerry has a pretty solid place in the
show so they feel free to let her have her gay storylines while they can

free

Post by Ktatum423
up any new characters for the heterosexual relationship merry go round.
Probably a better idea would have been to make Jorja Fox a regular back in

the

Post by Ktatum423
day. I guess they didn't want to delve into it too deeply back then,

though.
Who's Jorja?

Jorja Fox is the actress that played Maggie Doyle, a character who interacted
with John Carter a lot in season three and admitted to being a lesbian. She
wuickly faded to the background once Anna Del Amico showed up, and mad an
unsuccessful attempt to bring Romano up on sexual harassment charges in season
five. We haven't really seen her since, primarily because Jorja landed a good
gig on CSI.

Kelley30

2004-06-19 22:25:15 UTC

Post by Caroline
snip
I agree the Ellis-Kerry affair was ambiguous. I lean more towards him using her
than actually loving her as a person. Also, I grant that LeGaspi used Kerry, so
Kerry's seen both genders being jerks. But I suspect, as a woman with a strong
personality, she doesn't suffer macho fools gladly and so has more emotional
scars and resentment to show from men than from women.

No I think Ellis and Weaver used each other. I think Weaver went into
the affair thinking she had the upper hand and when she realized that
perhaps she had met her match it pissed her off and she took her ball
and went home, so to speak.

Kelley

Darrell Mayeda

2004-06-20 09:19:53 UTC

Post by Ellen K Hursh
* Personally, I find it interesting that she mentions her parents
having been dead for a year (in "Nobody Doesn't Like Amanda Lee")
almost exactly a year after breaking up with Ellis. (That is,
maybe they died while she was off in the Caribbean with him?) Eh.
Not that any of those blanks will ever be filled in or anything.

uh, I think you mean her ADOPTIVE parents. I don't think she knows
much about her birth parents. a possible candidate for mother that
probably wouldn't see or talk to her. I don't think we know anything
about her father.
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Mon Pjc

2004-06-20 21:56:27 UTC

To her they were still her parents - adoptive or not.

Doesn't matter to the damn writers either, as they've never chosen to
explore the 'real' parents side of it (a phone call doesn't count!).

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Post by Darrell Mayeda
uh, I think you mean her ADOPTIVE parents. I don't think she knows
much about her birth parents. a possible candidate for mother that
probably wouldn't see or talk to her. I don't think we know anything
about her father.

To her they were still her parents - adoptive or not.

since she was interested in finding her birth mother, it does matter.

Post by Mon Pjc
Doesn't matter to the damn writers either, as they've never chosen to
explore the 'real' parents side of it (a phone call doesn't count!).

like most of Kerry's storylines, it happened off air, she told carter
that she searched on the internet and hired/then fired a PI to search
for her mother. I imagine that since it's not a medical emergency
this search is going to take awhile. Given her new child there is
more of a reason to find her birth mother. An adoptive parents
medical history wouldn't be of much help to her in tracking any
genetic problems that pop up
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2004-06-21 02:12:40 UTC

To her they were still her parents - adoptive or not.

since she was interested in finding her birth mother, it does matter.

For all intents and purposes, the couple that died in S4 were her parents.
If she'd been raised by wolves (as some people, on and off the show, are
convinced she was), she would consider Lupina and Remus T Wolf her
parents, even though there were two humans out there who had provided the
genetic material necessary to create her.

Post by Mon Pjc
Doesn't matter to the damn writers either, as they've never chosen to
explore the 'real' parents side of it (a phone call doesn't count!).

The thing with the "Hello, did you give up a child for adoption? You
didn't? 'Kay bye." phone call reminds me of the way that some people look
for stuff: they turn over two pieces of paper, look at the ceiling, and
then scream that they can't find it*. That is, the writers did the
cockamamie bit with Ponytail and the pager**, did the bit with the phone
call, and said, "Ta-da! The mystery of Kerry's mother is now cleared up!"

Post by Darrell Mayeda
like most of Kerry's storylines, it happened off air, she told carter
that she searched on the internet and hired/then fired a PI to search
for her mother. I imagine that since it's not a medical emergency
this search is going to take awhile.

About as long, I'd guess, as the wait for an Official Explanation of the
crutch. "Mysterious" only goes so far, before it becomes "We're too lazy
to come up with something".

Post by Darrell Mayeda
Given her new child there is more of a reason to find her birth mother.
An adoptive parents medical history wouldn't be of much help to her in
tracking any genetic problems that pop up

Since Sandy was the baby's biological mother, the identity of Kerry's
biological mother is a "moo point" (as Joey Tribbiani put it) in that
context.

* Or at least I assume that's what they do, considering that an *honest*
search for the missing item usually produces results within two or three
minutes.

** Which, as Dave Barry might say, would be a pretty good name for a rock
band.

The She Devil

2004-06-25 16:07:21 UTC

Post by Ellen K Hursh

To her they were still her parents - adoptive or not.

since she was interested in finding her birth mother, it does matter.

I'm adopted, and my mother died. My ADOPTIVE mother, but I don't call
her that, I just call her my mother, because that's what she was. And
I'm interested in finding my birth mother, but I don't call her my
mother, I call her my birth mother, or my biological mother, or that
lady that gave me up, whatever. There's a difference between a real
mom and a biological one, a BIG difference. I agree with Ellen 100%
here, and what you're saying is even sort of offensive.

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vince garcia

2004-06-19 10:16:28 UTC

agree totally

Mon Pjc

2004-06-19 20:26:21 UTC

Post by vince garcia

agree totally

Nope, sorry I don't. Being a lesbian didn't really ruin her, the writing
did! They could have done it so much better and obviously chose not to.
The Kim storyline was pretty good and so was the Sandy one but they just
needed more scenes to explain some things to the audience. That for me is
what the whole lesbian storyline has been lacking - good writing and
screentime.

Ellen K Hursh

2004-06-19 22:46:56 UTC

Post by vince garcia

Post by SassySaxonMD
Personally speaking, I think it ruined her character when she became
a lesbian. She still doesnt convince me that she is gay and Laura
comes across as uncomfortable playing the part in later seasons,
particulary when they brought in Lisa Vidal, who wasnt a match for
Innes in acting stakes
What do you all think?

agree totally

Nope, sorry I don't. Being a lesbian didn't really ruin her, the
writing did! They could have done it so much better and obviously chose
not to. The Kim storyline was pretty good and so was the Sandy one but
they just needed more scenes to explain some things to the audience.
That for me is what the whole lesbian storyline has been lacking - good
writing and screentime.

Nose-a-roonie. There was good *potential* in the idea[1], but said
potential wound up about as shredded as some of the Potentials in S7
Buffy. ("From beneath you, it seriously bites!" :-) Starters, the bit
where her going gay came across (to some) as "Welp, the only person around
here who seems to like me also wants to have sex with me. What the hell,
I'm lonely and it's the only way she'll stick around."

Also, I'm sure I've said this before, but I would've brought Sandy back
(post-outing) just long enough for Kerry to forgive[2] her, *but* decline
to get back with her. And then I would've brought in a new actress: one
who wasn't already starring in her own drama series and who, therefore,
could make more appearances and get enough exposure that viewers would
tend to give a hoot about her one way or the other[3].

You know... as opposed to what they *did* do, of having all this stuff
with Sandy in S8-10 happening in the closet, so to speak. Oh, poof!
Kerry's pregnant! Poof! Kerry's not pregnant! Poof! Sandy doesn't want to
have a baby! Poof! I see the head! Poof! Sandy's dead and her evil parents
are taking away the baby! Pfft.

[1] I didn't - and still don't - care for it, but there *was* some serious
potential in the idea.

[2] I don't argue that she needed to stop hiding... I'm just seriously
repelled by the way it was done. And even more repelled that 1) Sandy
never, ever expressed a shred of regret for doing it and that 2) Kerry was
such a f#cking doormat about taking her back.

[3] Of course, I'm merely assuming that TPTB ever really *wanted* Kerry to
have a visible partner, as opposed to having their very own Gay Showpiece.

FatCat

2004-06-21 03:49:45 UTC