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After the ceremony
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Mark Nobles
2007-05-04 04:05:58 UTC
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At the end of every wedding I've ever been to, the preacher always says
something like "ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Mr. and Mrs. Kovac."
But what would the rabbi say at the end of the Lockhart-Kovac wedding?
"Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Dr. Abigail Lockhart (Abby, dammit!)
and Dr. Luka Kovac"?
n***@indiana.edu
2007-05-04 13:36:20 UTC
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Post by Mark Nobles
At the end of every wedding I've ever been to, the preacher always says
something like "ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Mr. and Mrs. Kovac."
But what would the rabbi say at the end of the Lockhart-Kovac wedding?
"Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Dr. Abigail Lockhart (Abby, dammit!)
and Dr. Luka Kovac"?
Given that it's very common these days for both spouses to keep their
names, I'm sure it's not a big deal to introduce them by their names,
or as 'the new couple,' or whatever. (When I was married we weren't
introduced' at all. Presumably everyone in the room (or rather, under
the shelter ... it was an outdoor wedding) knew us already.)

The episode was actually better than I expected. Not great, not even
good, but not as bad as it might have been. I found Abby's reactions
to be entirely believable and reasonable. Luka 'sprung' a surprise
wedding on her and of course she's going to be pissed and need some
time to decide if it's what she wants. (And if she does back out, SHE
looks bad in front of all her friends. If Luka just wanted to get it
over with, why didn't he approach her at home and suggest that they
run down to city hall?)

One little nitpick I had was that the rabbi shouldn't have been
wearing a tallit. (The prayer shawl.) While many rabbis do wear
kippot (the head covering) all the time, they don't normally walk
around in a tallit.(Orthodox rabbis often wear a small fringed garment
under their clothes, but this guy was clearly not Orthodox, and it's
still a different thing.) Since the wedding was not, in any sense, a
Jewish wedding, and he was simply officiating at a civil ceremony
because his legal position as 'clergy' allows him to do so, there was
no reason for him to wear a tallit.

Naomi
sharon
2007-05-04 21:59:45 UTC
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Post by n***@indiana.edu
Post by Mark Nobles
At the end of every wedding I've ever been to, the preacher always says
something like "ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Mr. and Mrs. Kovac."
But what would the rabbi say at the end of the Lockhart-Kovac wedding?
"Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Dr. Abigail Lockhart (Abby, dammit!)
and Dr. Luka Kovac"?
Given that it's very common these days for both spouses to keep their
names, I'm sure it's not a big deal to introduce them by their names,
or as 'the new couple,' or whatever. (When I was married we weren't
introduced' at all. Presumably everyone in the room (or rather, under
the shelter ... it was an outdoor wedding) knew us already.)
The episode was actually better than I expected. Not great, not even
good, but not as bad as it might have been. I found Abby's reactions
to be entirely believable and reasonable. Luka 'sprung' a surprise
wedding on her and of course she's going to be pissed and need some
time to decide if it's what she wants.
For once, I thought she was justified in being pissed, however, she was
still taking out her feelings on innocent people including a little kid, and
the substitute rabbi which is never acceptable, IMO. Also, once Abs decided
not to kill Luka but to marry him: she needed to shut her whiny yap, slap on
a happy face and do it rather than continue to drag her feet, whine and
snark at everyone about it.

(And if she does back out, SHE
Post by n***@indiana.edu
looks bad in front of all her friends. If Luka just wanted to get it
over with, why didn't he approach her at home and suggest that they
run down to city hall?)
Yep, the whole thing was just ridiculous, and out of character, IMO, for
Luka who isn't allowed to cough without asking Abby's permission first.
Also, there was no mention of a marriage license and I doubt it would've
been even possible for him to obtain one without her, so what was the reason
for the wedding in the first place? We learned that Luka had wanted a
purely civil ceremony and had hired a justice of the peace to conduct it.
I'm not even sure a JP would agree to marry a couple who didn't have a
license. I guess it will make it easier to pair Abby up with someone else
next season if the marriage is a sham.
Post by n***@indiana.edu
One little nitpick I had was that the rabbi shouldn't have been
wearing a tallit. (The prayer shawl.) While many rabbis do wear
kippot (the head covering) all the time, they don't normally walk
around in a tallit.(Orthodox rabbis often wear a small fringed garment
under their clothes, but this guy was clearly not Orthodox, and it's
still a different thing.) Since the wedding was not, in any sense, a
Jewish wedding, and he was simply officiating at a civil ceremony
because his legal position as 'clergy' allows him to do so, there was
no reason for him to wear a tallit.
Naomi
Well, there wasn't any reason for Luka to stomp a wine glass either, and he
did that, too. I found the portrayal of the rabbi to be borderline
offensive in its stereotyping. Between the Yiddish and the Shecky Greene
impersonation, my eyes were rolling nearly as much as Abby's. TPTB's sense
of humor is broken, methinks.

Sharon
coley
2007-05-04 22:09:33 UTC
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Post by sharon
Post by n***@indiana.edu
Post by Mark Nobles
At the end of every wedding I've ever been to, the preacher always says
something like "ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Mr. and Mrs. Kovac."
But what would the rabbi say at the end of the Lockhart-Kovac wedding?
"Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Dr. Abigail Lockhart (Abby, dammit!)
and Dr. Luka Kovac"?
Given that it's very common these days for both spouses to keep their
names, I'm sure it's not a big deal to introduce them by their names,
or as 'the new couple,' or whatever. (When I was married we weren't
introduced' at all. Presumably everyone in the room (or rather, under
the shelter ... it was an outdoor wedding) knew us already.)
The episode was actually better than I expected. Not great, not even
good, but not as bad as it might have been. I found Abby's reactions
to be entirely believable and reasonable. Luka 'sprung' a surprise
wedding on her and of course she's going to be pissed and need some
time to decide if it's what she wants.
For once, I thought she was justified in being pissed, however, she was
still taking out her feelings on innocent people including a little kid,
and the substitute rabbi which is never acceptable, IMO. Also, once Abs
decided not to kill Luka but to marry him: she needed to shut her whiny
yap, slap on a happy face and do it rather than continue to drag her feet,
whine and snark at everyone about it.
(And if she does back out, SHE
Post by n***@indiana.edu
looks bad in front of all her friends. If Luka just wanted to get it
over with, why didn't he approach her at home and suggest that they
run down to city hall?)
Yep, the whole thing was just ridiculous, and out of character, IMO, for
Luka who isn't allowed to cough without asking Abby's permission first.
Also, there was no mention of a marriage license and I doubt it would've
been even possible for him to obtain one without her, so what was the
reason for the wedding in the first place? We learned that Luka had
wanted a purely civil ceremony and had hired a justice of the peace to
conduct it. I'm not even sure a JP would agree to marry a couple who
didn't have a license. I guess it will make it easier to pair Abby up
with someone else next season if the marriage is a sham.
they were planning their own wedding so maybe they had already done that
part!

nikki
sharon
2007-05-04 22:41:04 UTC
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Post by coley
Post by sharon
Post by n***@indiana.edu
Post by Mark Nobles
At the end of every wedding I've ever been to, the preacher always says
something like "ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Mr. and Mrs. Kovac."
But what would the rabbi say at the end of the Lockhart-Kovac wedding?
"Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Dr. Abigail Lockhart (Abby, dammit!)
and Dr. Luka Kovac"?
Given that it's very common these days for both spouses to keep their
names, I'm sure it's not a big deal to introduce them by their names,
or as 'the new couple,' or whatever. (When I was married we weren't
introduced' at all. Presumably everyone in the room (or rather, under
the shelter ... it was an outdoor wedding) knew us already.)
The episode was actually better than I expected. Not great, not even
good, but not as bad as it might have been. I found Abby's reactions
to be entirely believable and reasonable. Luka 'sprung' a surprise
wedding on her and of course she's going to be pissed and need some
time to decide if it's what she wants.
For once, I thought she was justified in being pissed, however, she was
still taking out her feelings on innocent people including a little kid,
and the substitute rabbi which is never acceptable, IMO. Also, once Abs
decided not to kill Luka but to marry him: she needed to shut her whiny
yap, slap on a happy face and do it rather than continue to drag her
feet, whine and snark at everyone about it.
(And if she does back out, SHE
Post by n***@indiana.edu
looks bad in front of all her friends. If Luka just wanted to get it
over with, why didn't he approach her at home and suggest that they
run down to city hall?)
Yep, the whole thing was just ridiculous, and out of character, IMO, for
Luka who isn't allowed to cough without asking Abby's permission first.
Also, there was no mention of a marriage license and I doubt it would've
been even possible for him to obtain one without her, so what was the
reason for the wedding in the first place? We learned that Luka had
wanted a purely civil ceremony and had hired a justice of the peace to
conduct it. I'm not even sure a JP would agree to marry a couple who
didn't have a license. I guess it will make it easier to pair Abby up
with someone else next season if the marriage is a sham.
they were planning their own wedding so maybe they had already done that
part!
nikki
Actually, the theme of the past few eppies has been that Abby was NOT
planning the wedding and showing no signs of ever doing it. Remember how
she knocked Hope's wedding planning book out of her hands and then told Luka
she didn't want any of her coworkers to come to the wedding (a sentiment she
echoed last night)? The marriage license is one of the last steps before
marrying, not the first. In Cook County, a marriage license is only valid
for 60 days from the date it is issued. Also, as we suspected, both parties
must show up in person to apply.

http://www.cookctyclerk.com/sub/marriage_licenses.asp

Sharon
Dropping The Helicopter
2007-05-05 01:12:48 UTC
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sharon wrote:
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Post by sharon
Actually, the theme of the past few eppies has been that Abby was NOT
planning the wedding and showing no signs of ever doing it. Remember how
she knocked Hope's wedding planning book out of her hands and then told Luka
she didn't want any of her coworkers to come to the wedding (a sentiment she
echoed last night)? The marriage license is one of the last steps before
marrying, not the first. In Cook County, a marriage license is only valid
for 60 days from the date it is issued. Also, as we suspected, both parties
must show up in person to apply.
http://www.cookctyclerk.com/sub/marriage_licenses.asp
Sharon
Sharon: You are investigating the marriage laws of the county wherein
FICTIONAL CHARACTERS GOT FICTIONALLY MARRIED IN A CEREMONY AS FICTIONAL
AS IT WAS FARCICAL. NOBODY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD HAS EVER BEEN
THAT INSANE. CHARLES MANSON WOULD SAY "Wow, I thought *I* was pretty
insane, but this 'sharon' chick is bonkers!"

YES, THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD SAY SHARON. YOU ARE KOO-KOO FOR COCOA-PUFFS.
kelley30
2007-05-05 13:55:04 UTC
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On May 4, 9:12 pm, Dropping The Helicopter
Post by Dropping The Helicopter
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Post by sharon
Actually, the theme of the past few eppies has been that Abby was NOT
planning the wedding and showing no signs of ever doing it. Remember how
she knocked Hope's wedding planning book out of her hands and then told Luka
she didn't want any of her coworkers to come to the wedding (a sentiment she
echoed last night)? The marriage license is one of the last steps before
marrying, not the first. In Cook County, a marriage license is only valid
for 60 days from the date it is issued. Also, as we suspected, both parties
must show up in person to apply.
http://www.cookctyclerk.com/sub/marriage_licenses.asp
Sharon
Sharon: You are investigating the marriage laws of the county wherein
FICTIONAL CHARACTERS GOT FICTIONALLY MARRIED IN A CEREMONY AS FICTIONAL
AS IT WAS FARCICAL. NOBODY IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD HAS EVER BEEN
THAT INSANE. CHARLES MANSON WOULD SAY "Wow, I thought *I* was pretty
insane, but this 'sharon' chick is bonkers!"
YES, THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD SAY SHARON. YOU ARE KOO-KOO FOR COCOA-PUFFS.
Amazing isn't it?

Kelley
Mark Nobles
2007-05-07 03:52:34 UTC
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Post by Dropping The Helicopter
YES, THAT'S WHAT HE WOULD SAY SHARON. YOU ARE KOO-KOO FOR COCOA-PUFFS.
So you think she's Denny Crane?
<http://whyyoushould.org/collect/Shatnerisms>
n***@indiana.edu
2007-05-07 14:09:22 UTC
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On May 4, 9:12 pm, Dropping The Helicopter
Post by Dropping The Helicopter
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Post by sharon
Actually, the theme of the past few eppies has been that Abby was NOT
planning the wedding and showing no signs of ever doing it. Remember how
she knocked Hope's wedding planning book out of her hands and then told Luka
she didn't want any of her coworkers to come to the wedding (a sentiment she
echoed last night)? The marriage license is one of the last steps before
marrying, not the first. In Cook County, a marriage license is only valid
for 60 days from the date it is issued. Also, as we suspected, both parties
must show up in person to apply.
http://www.cookctyclerk.com/sub/marriage_licenses.asp
Sharon
Sharon: You are investigating the marriage laws of the county wherein
FICTIONAL CHARACTERS GOT FICTIONALLY MARRIED IN A CEREMONY AS FICTIONAL
AS IT WAS FARCICAL.
Fictional characters getting married in a real place, in a show that
claims to be 'as real as it's possible to make it.'

Naomi

Dropping The Helicopter
2007-05-05 01:27:19 UTC
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***@indiana.edu wrote:
[]
Post by n***@indiana.edu
The episode was actually better than I expected. Not great, not even
good, but not as bad as it might have been. I found Abby's reactions
to be entirely believable and reasonable. Luka 'sprung' a surprise
wedding on her and of course she's going to be pissed and need some
time to decide if it's what she wants. (And if she does back out, SHE
looks bad in front of all her friends. If Luka just wanted to get it
over with, why didn't he approach her at home and suggest that they
run down to city hall?)
I literally cannot believe that they didn't do the utterly-predictable
"OMG somebody's choking/having a heart attack/fainted/has high-angle
glaucoma/impaired liver function/dry mouth!!! Is there a doctor in the
house?!?!??!?!?!" They HAD to have shot that and somehow it didn't make
the final cut. Maybe they ran long with the "everyone kissing Neela"
bit and had to cut it.
Post by n***@indiana.edu
One little nitpick I had was that the rabbi shouldn't have been
wearing a tallit. (The prayer shawl.) While many rabbis do wear
kippot (the head covering) all the time,
I thought that was called a yarmulke?
Post by n***@indiana.edu
they don't normally walk
around in a tallit.
They should, it's totally stylin'. Plus, how are people supposed to
know they're rabbis then? It would be like the Pope not wearing his
Pope Hat(tm), people would just think he was Emperor Palpatine.
Post by n***@indiana.edu
(Orthodox rabbis often wear a small fringed garment
under their clothes, but this guy was clearly not Orthodox, and it's
still a different thing.) Since the wedding was not, in any sense, a
Jewish wedding, and he was simply officiating at a civil ceremony
because his legal position as 'clergy' allows him to do so, there was
no reason for him to wear a tallit.
There's no reason for the Pope to wear that awesome hat of his either,
but he don't leave home without it.
Post by n***@indiana.edu
Naomi
Ellen K Hursh
2007-05-05 22:10:37 UTC
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On May 4, 8:27 pm, Dropping The Helicopter
Post by Dropping The Helicopter
I literally cannot believe that they didn't do the utterly-predictable
"OMG somebody's choking/having a heart attack/fainted/has high-angle
glaucoma/impaired liver function/dry mouth!!! Is there a doctor in the
house?!?!??!?!?!" They HAD to have shot that and somehow it didn't make
the final cut.
I'm surprised they've made it 13 years without doing that one.
Post by Dropping The Helicopter
Post by n***@indiana.edu
One little nitpick I had was that the rabbi shouldn't have been
wearing a tallit. (The prayer shawl.) While many rabbis do wear
kippot (the head covering) all the time,
I thought that was called a yarmulke?
Kippot is a Hebrew word (and thus its spelling varies wildly);
yarmulke is Yiddish.
kelley30
2007-05-06 20:27:23 UTC
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Post by Mark Nobles
At the end of every wedding I've ever been to, the preacher always says
something like "ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Mr. and Mrs. Kovac."
But what would the rabbi say at the end of the Lockhart-Kovac wedding?
"Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce Dr. Abigail Lockhart (Abby, dammit!)
and Dr. Luka Kovac"?
Why would he? Perhaps that isn't what they wanted. I wasn't
introduced as Mr and Mrs (my husband's last name) at our wedding. I
never legally changed my name. I kept my maiden name...it is my name
and that doesn't change just because I got married. If some women
want that that's cool but it isn't for me.

Kelley
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