Tonight's ep....

[Ellen K Hursh]

Pot Brownie Lady... that wasn't Mrs Garrett, was it? Sure looked/
sounded like her, though I thought she was taller than that. (Then
again, IMDB does list her height as 5'.)

I wonder if part of the So You're Dating Sam Taggart manual includes
access to Luka's email, to facilitate commiseration over getting
dumped by her. (Not that Uncle Jesse didn't screw the pooch without
even buying it dinner first, on looking after the kids, but damn.)

Off-hand, no opinion on the rest (aside from heaping scorn on Morris
for passing up that sweet motorcycle).

[Sharon Too]

Post by Ellen K Hursh
Pot Brownie Lady... that wasn't Mrs Garrett, was it?

You betcha.

Post by Ellen K Hursh
I wonder if part of the So You're Dating Sam Taggart manual includes
access to Luka's email, to facilitate commiseration over getting
dumped by her. (Not that Uncle Jesse didn't screw the pooch without
even buying it dinner first, on looking after the kids, but damn.)

They've replaced brooding-yet-savior-Doctor-Abby with
tragedy-chaos-runaway-Sam. So sick of it.

Post by Ellen K Hursh
Off-hand, no opinion on the rest (aside from heaping scorn on Morris
for passing up that sweet motorcycle).

Haven't you heard? NBC has gone green. Recycling is ER's schtick. Tonight
they recycled the immigration after factory worker plot, the Sam moving out
of boyfriend's apartment because of kid plot, the Christmas miracle baby
plot, the illegal drug in the snack fed to staff plot, homeless dude leaves
dog with doctor plot and, last but not least, the Jerry in a Santa Suit
plot. (Anybody else yell for him to look for live ammo in the storage unit?)

[Dimitrios Paskoudniakis]

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Ellen K Hursh
Pot Brownie Lady... that wasn't Mrs Garrett, was it?

You betcha.

Post by Ellen K Hursh
I wonder if part of the So You're Dating Sam Taggart manual includes
access to Luka's email, to facilitate commiseration over getting
dumped by her. (Not that Uncle Jesse didn't screw the pooch without
even buying it dinner first, on looking after the kids, but damn.)

They've replaced brooding-yet-savior-Doctor-Abby with
tragedy-chaos-runaway-Sam. So sick of it.

Post by Ellen K Hursh
Off-hand, no opinion on the rest (aside from heaping scorn on Morris
for passing up that sweet motorcycle).

Haven't you heard? NBC has gone green. Recycling is ER's schtick. Tonight
they recycled the immigration after factory worker plot, the Sam moving
out of boyfriend's apartment because of kid plot, the Christmas miracle
baby plot, the illegal drug in the snack fed to staff plot, homeless dude
leaves dog with doctor plot and, last but not least, the Jerry in a Santa
Suit plot. (Anybody else yell for him to look for live ammo in the storage
unit?)

Am I missing something, or did last week's ep end with Alex having a
ruptured aorta (ala John Ritter)? His blood loss was catastrophic. How is
he still alive?

[Sharon Too]

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
Am I missing something, or did last week's ep end with Alex having a
ruptured aorta (ala John Ritter)? His blood loss was catastrophic. How
is he still alive?

He didn't die. His low blood pressure due to the rupture put him into a
coma.

[Dimitrios Paskoudniakis]

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
Am I missing something, or did last week's ep end with Alex having a
ruptured aorta (ala John Ritter)? His blood loss was catastrophic. How
is he still alive?

He didn't die. His low blood pressure due to the rupture put him into a
coma.

I know he didn't die - quite evident. The question is, what is the probably
of survival of a ruptured aorta? I would have thought 0.000.

Did he get a heart transplant? An aorta graft? An actual repair of the
rupture? In time to not have brain death? How does one actually survive a
ruptured aorta?

[sharon]

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
Am I missing something, or did last week's ep end with Alex having a
ruptured aorta (ala John Ritter)? His blood loss was catastrophic. How
is he still alive?

He didn't die. His low blood pressure due to the rupture put him into a
coma.

I know he didn't die - quite evident. The question is, what is the
probably of survival of a ruptured aorta? I would have thought 0.000.
Did he get a heart transplant? An aorta graft? An actual repair of the
rupture? In time to not have brain death? How does one actually survive
a ruptured aorta?

It is possible to survive a ruptured aorta. particularly if the patient is
young and in reasonably good health and the rupture is caused by trauma and
not disease.

In the early 90's an NBA player, Bobby Hurley, survived an aortic tear
caused by an auto accident and actually returned to the NBA to play although
he was never the same player. He'd been a big star in college at Duke. He,
however, was never in a hyoxic coma, which is pretty serious and, in real
life, would probably result in permanent neurologic damage in most
survivors.

Sharon

[Hunter]

In article <ghuk69$fjp$***@news.motzarella.org>, ***@yeahright.com
says...

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
Am I missing something, or did last week's ep end with Alex having a
ruptured aorta (ala John Ritter)? His blood loss was catastrophic. How
is he still alive?

He didn't die. His low blood pressure due to the rupture put him into a
coma.

I know he didn't die - quite evident. The question is, what is the probably
of survival of a ruptured aorta? I would have thought 0.000.
Did he get a heart transplant? An aorta graft? An actual repair of the
rupture? In time to not have brain death? How does one actually survive a
ruptured aorta?

---
By being in the hospital surrounded by very good doctors at the time.
John Ritter died on the set of his show of a aortic dissection. He
was across the street from the hospital at the time but that was a
long way away for something like this (I'm NOT a doctor or any other
time of medical care worker but I here it is bad) and I would also
think that it depends on how severe of a tear it is, maybe Sam's son
fictional version was not as bad as Ritter's real life affliction-or
is it an all or nothing thing?

[Sharon Too]

Post by Hunter
By being in the hospital surrounded by very good doctors at the time.
John Ritter died on the set of his show of a aortic dissection. He
was across the street from the hospital at the time but that was a
long way away for something like this

Ritter actually made it alive to the hospital and was even talking when he
was there. The lawsuit by his family alleges that the hospital dickererd
around making the diagnosis and by the time they realized what it was it was
too late.

[Cory]

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
By being in the hospital surrounded by very good doctors at the time.
John Ritter died on the set of his show of a aortic dissection. He
was across the street from the hospital at the time but that was a
long way away for something like this

Ritter actually made it alive to the hospital and was even talking when he
was there.

He literally walked across the street to the hospital under his own
power, didn't he? I heard that not too long after he passed away.
Ritter thought he had food poisoning, as I recall.

Post by Sharon Too
The lawsuit by his family alleges that the hospital dickererd around making
the diagnosis and by the time they realized what it was it was too late.

I feel horrible for Ritter's family, but aortic dissections are NOT an
easy diagnosis. Jonathan Larson, who wrote the musical RENT, died
pretty much the same way Ritter did (what I mean is that, yes, Larson
died of an aortic dissection, but the circumstances surrounding his
death were almost identical to Ritter's, in that he was not diagnosed in
a timely manner). IIRC, Larson thought he had the flu when HE went to
the hospital.

I understood why the medical malpractice lawsuit was FILED. However,
I'm still having trouble understanding how Ritter's wife won the
lawsuit, simply because of the difficulty doctors have in diagnosing
aortic dissections in the first place, even under the easiest of
circumstances.

I guess what I'm saying is that if a person goes to a hospital
complaining of food poisoning (Ritter) or the flu (Larson), when in fact
it's an aortic dissection, because of what the patient tells the doctor
about their symptoms, people are not going to automatically leap to
aortic dissection.

The saying, "Think elephants, not zebras", when it comes to medical
diagnosing, comes into play very nicely here, IMNSHO.

--- Cory

[sharon]

Post by Cory

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
By being in the hospital surrounded by very good doctors at the time.
John Ritter died on the set of his show of a aortic dissection. He
was across the street from the hospital at the time but that was a
long way away for something like this

Ritter actually made it alive to the hospital and was even talking when he
was there.

He literally walked across the street to the hospital under his own
power, didn't he? I heard that not too long after he passed away.
Ritter thought he had food poisoning, as I recall.

Post by Sharon Too
The lawsuit by his family alleges that the hospital dickererd around making
the diagnosis and by the time they realized what it was it was too late.

I feel horrible for Ritter's family, but aortic dissections are NOT an
easy diagnosis. Jonathan Larson, who wrote the musical RENT, died
pretty much the same way Ritter did (what I mean is that, yes, Larson
died of an aortic dissection, but the circumstances surrounding his
death were almost identical to Ritter's, in that he was not diagnosed in
a timely manner). IIRC, Larson thought he had the flu when HE went to
the hospital.
I understood why the medical malpractice lawsuit was FILED. However,
I'm still having trouble understanding how Ritter's wife won the
lawsuit, simply because of the difficulty doctors have in diagnosing
aortic dissections in the first place, even under the easiest of
circumstances.

She didn't win, the hospital chickened out because it was a big celebrity
case and they didn't want the potential bad press; so they handed over $14
million without a fight. The doctors were cleared in a jury trial. BTW,
JR's family said they were asking for such big money because they wanted to
use a portion of it to educate the public about aortic disease. Wonder how
much they've spent doing that? Anyone seen any news articles, charities or
public service announcements financed by the Ritter family on this issue? I
thought not.

Sharon

[sharon]

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
By being in the hospital surrounded by very good doctors at the time.
John Ritter died on the set of his show of a aortic dissection. He
was across the street from the hospital at the time but that was a
long way away for something like this

Ritter actually made it alive to the hospital and was even talking when he
was there. The lawsuit by his family alleges that the hospital dickererd
around making the diagnosis and by the time they realized what it was it
was too late.

Yup, aortic dissection with subsequent rupture can mimic a heart attack
including chest pain and EKG changes. Also, people at risk for dissection
of the aorta are the same people at risk for heart disease. As I recall, JR
had an elevated cholesterol and hypertension, which are common in both
conditions.

JR was initially diagnosed with an MI, it was only several hours later, when
his condition unexpectedly deteriorated, that the dissection was diagnosed
and he died in the OR. That was the basis for the malpractice suit; that he
was misdiagnosed and this lead to a delay in surgery. In general, in the
case of aortic dissection/rupture, only about half of the victims make it to
the hospital alive and, of those who make it into the OR, only about half
survive. Very deadly.

Ritter's widow and children reached a 14 million dollar settlement with the
hospital including the ER docs. They went to trial against the radiologist
who had read his chest CT as well as the consulting cardiologist. Both were
found not guilty of malpractice at trial. The docs said they went to trial
because, due to Ritter's celebrity, the family was demanding a huge
settlement, far beyond the limits of their coverage and their net worth, so
they had no choice but to go to court. Based on the fact that the family
had already gotten $14 mill from the hospital, that is probably true. Most
malpractice insurance policies are for a max of $1mil per claim. A really
excellent and expensive policy might be worth $3 mil. Once the insurance
maxes, the practitioner is liable out of pocket. Even in LA, I doubt there
are many physicians with the kind of money the family wanted.

According to news reports, the plaintiffs requested $67 million from the
physicians at trial. As a general rule, a plaintiff's attorney asks for
about 3 times what they'd be willing to settle for. That means each of the
docs would've been on the hook for $10 million had they settled. Hence,
they went to court. And won.

Sharon

[Hunter]

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
By being in the hospital surrounded by very good doctors at the time.
John Ritter died on the set of his show of a aortic dissection. He
was across the street from the hospital at the time but that was a
long way away for something like this

Ritter actually made it alive to the hospital and was even talking when he
was there. The lawsuit by his family alleges that the hospital dickererd
around making the diagnosis and by the time they realized what it was it was
too late.

---
Serves me right for relying on memory. At anyrate, the difference
between the situation with Sam's son Alex and Mr. Ritter is that was
already on the table and maybe they were watching for that (were they
watching for that probability given Alex's condition? I forget). Mr.
Ritter wasn't at the hospital right then and there when he had his
attack and he unfortunately misled his doctors-totally no one's fault
of course-on to a false path. A lot of time was lost even if Ritter
was just across the street. I agree it wasn't the hospital's fault if
it is truly so hard to diagnose and not the first thing doctors
usually look for. Did Ritter complain of chest pain along with other
symptoms?

It is funny how many deadly illnesses have "flu like" symptoms. It is
like the diseases want to sneak up on us. I know, it is the body
trying to fight off infection and fever is often the way to do it. It
just sucks that you are there belatedly drinking down orange juice
and Robitussin while you have the Plague or something LOL!

[Sharon Too]

Post by Hunter
It is funny how many deadly illnesses have "flu like" symptoms. It is
like the diseases want to sneak up on us. I know, it is the body
trying to fight off infection and fever is often the way to do it. It
just sucks that you are there belatedly drinking down orange juice
and Robitussin while you have the Plague or something LOL!

Doc Sharon would be better to answer this question. Our patients have 4
legs.

But - flu-like symptoms are fever and general malaise, not vomitting.

Here's a snip with my comments following:

http://www.newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com/2008/02/medical-malpractice-trial-of-john.html
"According to this story in USA Today:

[T]he cardiologist [was] summoned to the emergency room at Providence St.
Joseph Medical Center in Burbank after Ritter was taken there complaining of
nausea, vomiting and chest pain. Plaintiff's lawyers say a chest X-ray
should have been performed before Lee treated Ritter.

The doctor's lawyers say that there wasn't enough time for that and that a
chest X-ray ordered earlier inexplicably was not done. They say Ritter's
symptoms were more consistent with a heart attack than anything else and had
to be treated quickly."

I would think that anyone who comes into an ER (especially a middle aged
male) with nausea *and* chest pain would at least be ruled out for something
having to do with the aorta. Take the damn x-ray, do a quick sonogram while
also assuming a heart attack. According to this article, an earlier x-ray
was taken and an enlargment of the aorta was missed. I hope this wasn't a
managed medicine snafu where they were holding back on diagnosics to appease
the HMO because of whatever they define as "routine care".

But I suppose this could be a 'zebra'.

[sharon]

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
It is funny how many deadly illnesses have "flu like" symptoms. It is
like the diseases want to sneak up on us. I know, it is the body
trying to fight off infection and fever is often the way to do it. It
just sucks that you are there belatedly drinking down orange juice
and Robitussin while you have the Plague or something LOL!

Doc Sharon would be better to answer this question. Our patients have 4
legs.
But - flu-like symptoms are fever and general malaise, not vomitting.
http://www.newyorkpersonalinjuryattorneyblog.com/2008/02/medical-malpractice-trial-of-john.html
[T]he cardiologist [was] summoned to the emergency room at Providence St.
Joseph Medical Center in Burbank after Ritter was taken there complaining
of nausea, vomiting and chest pain. Plaintiff's lawyers say a chest X-ray
should have been performed before Lee treated Ritter.
The doctor's lawyers say that there wasn't enough time for that and that
a chest X-ray ordered earlier inexplicably was not done. They say Ritter's
symptoms were more consistent with a heart attack than anything else and
had to be treated quickly."
I would think that anyone who comes into an ER (especially a middle aged
male) with nausea *and* chest pain would at least be ruled out for
something having to do with the aorta. Take the damn x-ray, do a quick
sonogram while also assuming a heart attack. According to this article, an
earlier x-ray was taken and an enlargment of the aorta was missed. I hope
this wasn't a managed medicine snafu where they were holding back on
diagnosics to appease the HMO because of whatever they define as "routine
care".
But I suppose this could be a 'zebra'.

It was indeed a zebra. Aortic dissections are really pretty rare, much less
common than heart attacks. They also tend to occur in elderly men, not
middle aged ones, except in cases of trauma or Marfan's syndrome (remember
the eppy that lead to Malucci's firing and Chen's losing the Chief Resident
position). Calcifications of the aorta on an Xray are an indication of
atherosclerotic disease, but that doesn't occur in isolation; a man like
Ritter who had aortic disease undoubtedly also had coronary artery disease.
Therefore, even knowing he had aortic calcifications, a heart attack was
still a good possibility. Chest pain and nausea are common in MI. There
can be EKG changes seen in aortic dissection that would mimic MI, too. It's
a tough diagnosis until the aorta ruptures entirely, at which time it is
often too late.

The big issue here is the chest film that didn't get done, as it might've
well showed suspicious widening of the aorta as blood flowed into the
dissection prior to the dissection rupturing into his chest. I think this
is why the hospital settled the case, aside from wanting to avoid the bad
PR.

I seriously doubt this was an HMO issue. The guy was a famous actor, a
multimillionaire. Even if he had an HMO, nobody would've hesitated to order
every test in the book, especially in LA where giving VIP treatment to the
famous is routine. A chest film on someone with chest pain is absolutely
routine and a relatively cheap test. Many folks with pneumonia present to
the ER with chest pain and nausea.

Although the plaintiff's attorneys claimed that the radiologist who had read
a previous chest film on Ritter had missed widening of the aorta, the
defense denied that and produced witnesses who said that the film did not
show significant changes. The jury believed the defense experts. Most
things in medicine are more art than science and it is quite possible for
good practitioners to disagree on the significance of various findings.

Sharon

[Dropping The Helicopter]

Post by Hunter
It is funny how many deadly illnesses have "flu like" symptoms. It is
like the diseases want to sneak up on us. I know, it is the body
trying to fight off infection and fever is often the way to do it. It
just sucks that you are there belatedly drinking down orange juice
and Robitussin while you have the Plague or something LOL!

Same deal with medication side effects. Look at the side effects on
literally any med and it'll say "Possible side effects include:
Sleepiness, insomnia, dry mouth, excessive salivation, weight loss,
weight gain, weight stability, problems with vision, improved vision,
constipation, loose stool, and consumption. Not to be used as a
flotation device. No bailment created." Ah well, anything to keep Big
Pharma crankin' out the Evergreens.

[Dimitrios Paskoudniakis]

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
By being in the hospital surrounded by very good doctors at the time.
John Ritter died on the set of his show of a aortic dissection. He
was across the street from the hospital at the time but that was a
long way away for something like this

Ritter actually made it alive to the hospital and was even talking when he
was there. The lawsuit by his family alleges that the hospital dickererd
around making the diagnosis and by the time they realized what it was it
was too late.

How does one repair aortic dissection? In the case of Alex on ER, would
they have had to open his chest and suture the tear? How can you do this
with systolic BP and the size of the vessel? Bypass?

[sharon]

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
By being in the hospital surrounded by very good doctors at the time.
John Ritter died on the set of his show of a aortic dissection. He
was across the street from the hospital at the time but that was a
long way away for something like this

Ritter actually made it alive to the hospital and was even talking when
he was there. The lawsuit by his family alleges that the hospital
dickererd around making the diagnosis and by the time they realized what
it was it was too late.

How does one repair aortic dissection? In the case of Alex on ER, would
they have had to open his chest and suture the tear? How can you do this
with systolic BP and the size of the vessel? Bypass?

Generally, the aorta is cross clamped and the vessel is repaired using a
gortex patch or graft. If the tear is in the thoracic part of the aorta,
then you open the chest; if the tear is abdominal, then you open that. You
don't need cardiac bypass, but you do need to keep an eye on how long the
aorta is clamped to prevent damage from lack of blood to the legs, etc.

Sharon

[Dropping The Helicopter]

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
By being in the hospital surrounded by very good doctors at the time.
John Ritter died on the set of his show of a aortic dissection. He
was across the street from the hospital at the time but that was a
long way away for something like this

Ritter actually made it alive to the hospital and was even talking when he
was there. The lawsuit by his family alleges that the hospital dickererd
around making the diagnosis and by the time they realized what it was it
was too late.

How does one repair aortic dissection?

Verrry carefully!

...sorry, little gallows humor there.

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
In the case of Alex on ER, would
they have had to open his chest and suture the tear?

Luckily, he had already received ER's complimentary thoracotomy.

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
How can you do this
with systolic BP and the size of the vessel? Bypass?

Like sharon(s) said, I suppose. Again keep in mind that this isn't one
of those situations where the patient has an overabundance of survival
probability regardless.

If you ask me, if the medical community would spend a little less time
on the next Viagra and a little more time on solving known deficiencies
of the design of the human body (i.e. replacing all these fragile
arteries and veins with braided stainless steel line), our aortas would
be dissecting in the first place and we'd all be better off. Well,
maybe not the medical community, seeing as diseases would get cured
instead of treated ad infinitum. But still.

[Dropping The Helicopter]

Post by Dropping The Helicopter

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
By being in the hospital surrounded by very good doctors at the time.
John Ritter died on the set of his show of a aortic dissection. He
was across the street from the hospital at the time but that was a
long way away for something like this

Ritter actually made it alive to the hospital and was even talking
when he was there. The lawsuit by his family alleges that the
hospital dickererd around making the diagnosis and by the time they
realized what it was it was too late.

How does one repair aortic dissection?

Verrry carefully!
...sorry, little gallows humor there.

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
In the case of Alex on ER, would they have had to open his chest and
suture the tear?

Luckily, he had already received ER's complimentary thoracotomy.

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
How can you do this with systolic BP and the size of the vessel?
Bypass?

Like sharon(s) said, I suppose. Again keep in mind that this isn't one
of those situations where the patient has an overabundance of survival
probability regardless.
If you ask me, if the medical community would spend a little less time
on the next Viagra and a little more time on solving known deficiencies
of the design of the human body (i.e. replacing all these fragile
arteries and veins with braided stainless steel line), our aortas would

would=>wouldn't.

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
be dissecting in the first place and we'd all be better off. Well,
maybe not the medical community, seeing as diseases would get cured
instead of treated ad infinitum. But still.

[NikonNurse]

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Ellen K Hursh
Pot Brownie Lady... that wasn't Mrs Garrett, was it?

You betcha.

Post by Ellen K Hursh
I wonder if part of the So You're Dating Sam Taggart manual includes
access to Luka's email, to facilitate commiseration over getting
dumped by her. (Not that Uncle Jesse didn't screw the pooch without
even buying it dinner first, on looking after the kids, but damn.)

They've replaced brooding-yet-savior-Doctor-Abby with
tragedy-chaos-runaway-Sam. So sick of it.

Post by Ellen K Hursh
Off-hand, no opinion on the rest (aside from heaping scorn on Morris
for passing up that sweet motorcycle).

Haven't you heard? NBC has gone green. Recycling is ER's schtick. Tonight
they recycled the immigration after factory worker plot, the Sam moving
out of boyfriend's apartment because of kid plot, the Christmas miracle
baby plot, the illegal drug in the snack fed to staff plot, homeless dude
leaves dog with doctor plot and, last but not least, the Jerry in a Santa
Suit plot. (Anybody else yell for him to look for live ammo in the storage
unit?)

Am I missing something, or did last week's ep end with Alex having a
ruptured aorta (ala John Ritter)? His blood loss was catastrophic. How is
he still alive?



People do survive this. Especially if you get them to the OR on time.

[Clifford T. Newsome]

Post by Ellen K Hursh
Off-hand, no opinion on the rest (aside from heaping scorn on Morris
for passing up that sweet motorcycle).

I noticed that Rob Lowe (you know, Uncle Jesse) spent the entire episode
without doing a single thing, um, MEDICAL.

His character isn't a doctor, he just plays one on TV. The hair and the
jutting chin thing .... positively Blagojevichian.

As for the Sam-Rob break-up, they're both better off without each other. Of
course, they're still left with themselves and their respective juvie brats.

[Cory]

Post by Clifford T. Newsome

Post by Ellen K Hursh
Off-hand, no opinion on the rest (aside from heaping scorn on Morris
for passing up that sweet motorcycle).

I noticed that Rob Lowe (you know, Uncle Jesse) spent the entire episode
without doing a single thing, um, MEDICAL.

I don't know for sure if you were being facetious here or WTF, so let me
just remind everyone that John Stamos played Uncle Jesse on FULL HOUSE,
while Rob Lowe played Billy Hixx (the sax player) in ST. ELMO'S FIRE, as
well as Sam Seaborn on THE WEST WING, plus any other number of roles not
mentioned herein.

--- Cory

[Clifford T. Newsome]

Post by Cory

Post by Clifford T. Newsome
I noticed that Rob Lowe (you know, Uncle Jesse) spent the entire episode
without doing a single thing, um, MEDICAL.

I don't know for sure if you were being facetious here or WTF, so let me
just remind everyone that John Stamos played Uncle Jesse on FULL HOUSE,
while Rob Lowe played Billy Hixx (the sax player) in ST. ELMO'S FIRE, as
well as Sam Seaborn on THE WEST WING, plus any other number of roles not
mentioned herein.

Well, I do like acting facetiously, since it's one of only two English words
with all the vowels (including y) in alphabetical order.

I never watched Full House, so I don't know who Uncle Jesse is. But I did
kind of enjoy Rob Lowe's performance on The West Wing, although before that
I had him typecast, as I do now with Stamos, as an actor more notable for
his love of and reliance on his own rugged good looks than on those
much-more-difficult-to-hone acting chops.

But it is an achievement of sorts, being the best "I play a doctor on TV" he
can be, and should stand him in good stead in a future soap opera
performance.

[David E. Milligan]

Post by Ellen K Hursh
Pot Brownie Lady... that wasn't Mrs Garrett, was it? Sure looked/
sounded like her, though I thought she was taller than that. (Then
again, IMDB does list her height as 5'.)
I wonder if part of the So You're Dating Sam Taggart manual includes
access to Luka's email, to facilitate commiseration over getting
dumped by her. (Not that Uncle Jesse didn't screw the pooch without
even buying it dinner first, on looking after the kids, but damn.)
Off-hand, no opinion on the rest (aside from heaping scorn on Morris
for passing up that sweet motorcycle).

Not enough Daria.

[Hunter]

In article <6755dcca-895b-4cba-9c65-

Post by Ellen K Hursh
Pot Brownie Lady... that wasn't Mrs Garrett, was it? Sure looked/
sounded like her, though I thought she was taller than that. (Then
again, IMDB does list her height as 5'.)

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No. If it was she has sure aged; I mean more than you would expect in
25 odd years.

Post by Ellen K Hursh
I wonder if part of the So You're Dating Sam Taggart manual includes
access to Luka's email, to facilitate commiseration over getting
dumped by her. (Not that Uncle Jesse didn't screw the pooch without
even buying it dinner first, on looking after the kids, but damn.)
Off-hand, no opinion on the rest (aside from heaping scorn on Morris
for passing up that sweet motorcycle).

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At least we know he is not materialistic. Gates really knows how to
keep them. The two most beautiful girls on "ER", Neela and Sam (in
that order) dropped him because, in part, of his childish behavior.
Wow.

[Sharon Too]

Post by Hunter
No. If it was she has sure aged; I mean more than you would expect in
25 odd years.

It was "Mrs. Garrett", aka Charlotte Rae. It's been 29 years since Facts of
Life has premiered. At 82 years old, she's no spring chicken!

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0705989/

[Puzzled]

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:24:55 -0500, "Sharon Too"

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
No. If it was she has sure aged; I mean more than you would expect in
25 odd years.

It was "Mrs. Garrett", aka Charlotte Rae. It's been 29 years since Facts of
Life has premiered. At 82 years old, she's no spring chicken!

As opposed to a winter chicken, fall chicken or summer chicken?

Has it really been 29 years?

I see where Creedence Clearwater Reveval did a song about her
role in St. Elsewhere.

Post by Sharon Too
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0705989/

[Hunter]

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
No. If it was she has sure aged; I mean more than you would expect in
25 odd years.

It was "Mrs. Garrett", aka Charlotte Rae. It's been 29 years since Facts of
Life has premiered. At 82 years old, she's no spring chicken!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0705989/

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Ah! I take it back then. Wow, she has aged! Still even considering
she is 82 she has aged a lot (IMHO). I didn't recognize her and I
did used to look at the Facts of Life" pretty often (had a crush on
Tootie! Kim Fields is still geourgous!).

[Dropping The Helicopter]

Post by Hunter

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Hunter
No. If it was she has sure aged; I mean more than you would expect in
25 odd years.

It was "Mrs. Garrett", aka Charlotte Rae. It's been 29 years since Facts of
Life has premiered. At 82 years old, she's no spring chicken!
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0705989/

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Ah! I take it back then. Wow, she has aged! Still even considering
she is 82 she has aged a lot (IMHO). I didn't recognize her and I
did used to look at the Facts of Life" pretty often (had a crush on
Tootie! Kim Fields is still geourgous!).

With all due respect to Mrs. Garrett, wasn't this exact "OMG they're pot
brownies!" plot used on The Facts Of Life?

ER steals actors and even plots from The Facts Of Life. Wow. Suddenly
we're finding out the facts of life are all about us.