The Return of Carter

[Darren Thornton]

Some of the best episodes this season focus on that once glorious
past. =A0 This last one was another mixed bag. It was definitely better
than the last one. =A0 But we still got some cliche's. =A0 Does anyone
think that Lucy's mom will die? =A0 Guess who adopts her? =A0 Do writers
need to hold our hands?
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Once again, this show was basically
the story of Dr. Carter. =A0 We
got a group who'd never heard of him. =A0 Does anyone return and
immediately find an old friend? That's been done way too often.
I would think that he'd be a huge
legend. After all, he was there longer than most folks. =A0Dr.
Morganstern and his mentor had longer tenures. =A0 But we
remember Carter's first and last days.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0It was obvious that he had some issues. Note
the stubble. =A0 We see that he was on a machine. Most of the other
folks looked much older. =A0 This is supposed to set up other visits.
That makes perfect sense. =A0 Only Mark Greene could evoke such
emotions.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Did anyone miss Kem? Were you hoping that
they'd broken up? There may have been a new reason for the most past
cast references. =A0 The actors and writers who created those characters
should get a royalty. It will be interesting to see the interns meet
these people. =A0 Maybe Tony and Doug are cousins.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Cate was back. She hasn't given up
on conceiving a child. =A0 The number 15 got overused. =A0 That would be
too much on Sesame Street. =A0 I'm with the husband. Getting an egg from
a niece is creepy. It's easier to believe Cate as an aunt than a mother.
Spare the flames.
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Brennan is still
invested in Lucy's case. =A0 We'll probably never hear from the deadbeat
dad/uncle again. =A0 What if Ms. Knight was the namesake, literally?
This girl is rather bright. Although she knew the truth, it didn't
bother her. That's nice. This aunt was a real mother to her. Cate
appeared to do the same for her niece.
Wallace Shawn gave us some more delightful moments. I remember
his work on Clueless, Murphy Brown, and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
While in college, I attended a production of this play. It was a good
choice for the episode.
I could have done without Jerry hitting on Carter. Pump his
stomach! That stuff looked nasty. But put it in a can, choose a
snazzy name, and voila! Schools really mess up teaching Bill.
They concentrate too much on the tragedies. Why not alternate with the
comedies and histories? I did read all the plays. Awhile back I wrote
an Amazon review on one biography.
The Reduced Shakespeare Company had a point. Bill wrote about 13
comedies. But he could have gotten away with only one. Several use
the same plot devices. When did he start writing for this show?
Neela stayed busy. The tire iron guy showed why to do self
surgery. Remember when Benton had transplant teams waiting? But he
didn't have consent yet. Wouldn't blood types be checked more
thoroughly? Thankfully, the mom didn't die. I expected Neela to cut
too much. By the way, going to Venice with Brennan seems risky.
Is it over with Morris and Claudia? The poor guy's been
deprived. I haven't eaten Necco wafers in years. But they didn't taste
that great. Get some Smarties or Sweet Tarts! Alright, just bring
on the chocolate.
Who delivers candy in a brown paper bag? Did she get it at a
self serve counter? Just give him the whole plastic bag. It was
sweet.
We had another cop stereotype. Doctors appear to have a code
too. She still seems like a nice person. I hope things work out.
But that's up to the actors and writers.
It will be fun to see more of the old gang. Is Carter really
going to work for food? Can he still practice in the area? If the
vending machine has been broken that long, fix or remove it. Suppose
Cate had been nicer. Someone might have told her earlier.
I still remember that machine that took your money, then gave you
a Sunkist. There was no time to push any buttons. Hopefully it's long
gone. Soon this show will be. Suppose we could press buttons on
plot. Let's start now.

Sincerely,
Darren Thornton

[Dimitrios Paskoudniakis]

"Darren Thornton" <***@webtv.net> wrote in message news:18612-499EDB95-***@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net...
Is it over with Morris and Claudia?
_____________________________

Archie is so straight-laced and such a boy scout, I can't see him tolerating
Claudia's not standing up for truth and justice. I could be wrong, but my
guess is either she rats out the cops who beat up the guy, or he sends her
packing.

[Sharon Too]

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
Archie is so straight-laced and such a boy scout, I can't see him
tolerating Claudia's not standing up for truth and justice. I could be
wrong, but my guess is either she rats out the cops who beat up the guy,
or he sends her packing.

Or she gets beat down by her co-workers as punishment for either her or
Archie outing them.

[Ellen K Hursh]

Post by Sharon Too

Post by Dimitrios Paskoudniakis
Archie is so straight-laced and such a boy scout, I can't see him
tolerating Claudia's not standing up for truth and justice.  I could be
wrong, but my guess is either she rats out the cops who beat up the guy,
or he sends her packing.

Or she gets beat down by her co-workers as punishment for either her or
Archie outing them.

Or she finds herself in a bad spot while on duty, and traffic
mysteeeeeriously delays her co-workers from going to help her.

[Hunter]

Post by Darren Thornton
Some of the best episodes this season focus on that once glorious
past.   This last one was another mixed bag. It was definitely better
than the last one.   But we still got some cliche's.   Does anyone
think that Lucy's mom will die?   Guess who adopts her?   Do writers
need to hold our hands?

----
Sure she could die it is not as if she is a character that is part of
the show. I mean not all the sad stories turn around and have a happy
ending in ER, so yeah, there is a chance she could die. As for
adoption of Lucy what do you mean? Banfield? I don't think so. She
wants another baby but a nine year old kid.

Post by Darren Thornton
            Once again, this show was basically
the story of Dr. Carter.   We
got a group who'd never heard of him.   Does anyone return and
immediately find an old friend? That's been done way too often.
I would think that he'd be a huge
legend. After all, he was there longer than most folks.

----
People have moved on and new people have come back. He is a huge
legend to those who KNEW him. Those kids and new arrivals like
Banfield and Gates didn't have a clue; why should they? We know what
kind of a "legend" he was but they had no reason to. It is not like
Neela and Jerry and Archie would tell war stories to the kids.

Post by Darren Thornton
 Dr.
Morganstern and his mentor had longer tenures.   But we
remember Carter's first and last days.

---
Yeah, WE do but they didn't. They are not going to gush over someone
they don't know. Indeed, Morganstern's mentor was totally unknown to
everyone despite him being the guy who built the ER. Time moves on. I
found how he was greeted realistic.

Post by Darren Thornton
         It was obvious that he had some issues. Note
the stubble.   We see that he was on a machine.

---
Dialysis.

Post by Darren Thornton
Most of the other
folks looked much older.

-----
Many people live long lives while having diabetes, but I don't think
Carter has diabetes.

Post by Darren Thornton
 This is supposed to set up other visits.
That makes perfect sense.   Only Mark Greene could evoke such
emotions.

----
I believe he is dying judging from the far off look of despair he had
on his face, which is why I don't think he has "run of the mill"
diabetes. Perhaps he has kidney cancer, or virus that attacks that
organ.

Post by Darren Thornton
 Did anyone miss Kem?

---
Yes, she is very beautiful.

Post by Darren Thornton
Were you hoping that they'd broken up?

---
No, not me, why should I? I hope they are very happy.

Post by Darren Thornton
There may have been a new reason for the most past
cast references.   The actors and writers who created those characters
should get a royalty. It will be interesting to see the interns meet
these people.  

----
Just sentimentality, which I am for.

Post by Darren Thornton
Maybe Tony and Doug are cousins.

---
No.

Post by Darren Thornton
            Cate was back. She hasn't given up
on conceiving a child.

----
No but Lucy has open her eyes to adoption, but having her niece as
her ovary donor doesn't freak me out.

Post by Darren Thornton
The number 15 got overused.   That would be
too much on Sesame Street.

----
Didn't notice.

Post by Darren Thornton
I'm with the husband. Getting an egg from
a niece is creepy.

----
It is odd but it doesn't really bother me.

Post by Darren Thornton
It's easier to believe Cate as an aunt than a mother.
Spare the flames.

----
Matter of opinion.

Post by Darren Thornton
                Brennan is still
invested in Lucy's case.   We'll probably never hear from the deadbeat
dad/uncle again.

----
Good riddance.

Post by Darren Thornton
What if Ms. Knight was the namesake, literally?
This girl is rather bright. Although she knew the truth, it didn't
bother her. That's nice. This aunt was a real mother to her.

----
I agree.

Post by Darren Thornton
Cate
appeared to do the same for her niece.

---
Which is why I disagree with you about not imagining Cate being a
mother.

Post by Darren Thornton
Wallace Shawn gave us some more delightful moments. I remember
his work on Clueless, Murphy Brown, and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
While in college, I attended a production of this play. It was a good
choice for the episode.
I could have done without Jerry hitting on Carter. Pump his
stomach! That stuff looked nasty. But put it in a can, choose a
snazzy name, and voila!

----
It just revealed that he was gay or at lest bi-sexual. Being stoned
doesn't change your sexual inclinations, just perhaps releases you
inhibitions, like Neela is potentially very promiscuous when she is
drunk.

Post by Darren Thornton
Schools really mess up teaching Bill.
They concentrate too much on the tragedies. Why not alternate with the
an Amazon review on one biography.
The Reduced Shakespeare Company had a point. Bill wrote about 13
comedies. But he could have gotten away with only one. Several use
the same plot devices. When did he start writing for this show?
Neela stayed busy. The tire iron guy showed why to do self
surgery. Remember when Benton had transplant teams waiting? But he
didn't have consent yet. Wouldn't blood types be checked more
thoroughly? Thankfully, the mom didn't die. I expected Neela to cut
too much. By the way, going to Venice with Brennan seems risky.

---
Why?

Post by Darren Thornton
Is it over with Morris and Claudia? The poor guy's been
deprived. I haven't eaten Necco wafers in years. But they didn't taste
that great.

---
I loved them, both the wafers and hearts.

Post by Darren Thornton
Get some Smarties or Sweet Tarts!

---
Way too sour!

Post by Darren Thornton
Alright, just bring on the chocolate.

---
We can agree on that.

Post by Darren Thornton
Who delivers candy in a brown paper bag? Did she get it at a
self serve counter? Just give him the whole plastic bag. It was
sweet.

----
In a candy store you get a white paper bag. I don't see what's wrong
with getting them in brown bag.

Post by Darren Thornton
We had another cop stereotype.

----
Too many like him are out there in real life. They're the ones
jamming broomsticks and radio antennae up peoples's assholes.

Post by Darren Thornton
Doctors appear to have a code too.

---
Actually yes they do. And yes that too involves secrecy.

Post by Darren Thornton
She still seems like a nice person. I hope things work out.
But that's up to the actors and writers.

---
I think she is a nice person too, but if she isn't going to say
anything when brutality is in front of her then it will go on. I do
understand the position she is in though. If she says something she
will be hounded out of her job. Ostracized. Maybe left to her own
devices during a emergency like Serpico was. She is pretty and
built just like I prefer my girls to be built chubby but yet some how
athletic looking. There's muscle under that baby fat. LOL. However,
judging from the previews she could be dead next week.

Post by Darren Thornton
It will be fun to see more of the old gang. Is Carter really
going to work for food? Can he still practice in the area? If the
vending machine has been broken that long, fix or remove it. Suppose
Cate had been nicer. Someone might have told her earlier.
I still remember that machine that took your money, then gave you
a Sunkist. There was no time to push any buttons. Hopefully it's long
gone. Soon this show will be. Suppose we could press buttons on
plot. Let's start now.
Sincerely,
Darren Thornton

----
Nope it is still there. Banfield said she lost a lot of money to that
machine.

[sharon]

Sure she could die it is not as if she is a character that is part of
the show. I mean not all the sad stories turn around and have a happy
ending in ER, so yeah, there is a chance she could die. As for
adoption of Lucy what do you mean? Banfield? I don't think so. She
wants another baby but a nine year old kid.

Isn't Lucy about the same age as Banfield's son would be had he lived? I
agree, it would be a huge contrivance in real life for Banfield to become
Lucy's foster mom, but this is ER. Remember how Jeannie got Carlos? Or how
Carol almost adopted the little Russian girl? ER might do it, though I
think Banfield is going to end up with a younger child.

Post by Darren Thornton
Once again, this show was basically
the story of Dr. Carter. We
got a group who'd never heard of him. Does anyone return and
immediately find an old friend? That's been done way too often.
I would think that he'd be a huge
legend. After all, he was there longer than most folks.

----
People have moved on and new people have come back. He is a huge
legend to those who KNEW him. Those kids and new arrivals like
Banfield and Gates didn't have a clue; why should they? We know what
kind of a "legend" he was but they had no reason to. It is not like
Neela and Jerry and Archie would tell war stories to the kids.

In real life, this is a teaching hospital and there's a whole new group of
residents and med students every year when the old group finishes. Carter
hasn't been around in more than 4 years, the length of an entire med
school/residency cycle. It makes sense that no one has heard of him.
Dozens of others have come and gone in the interim.

Post by Darren Thornton
Dr.
Morganstern and his mentor had longer tenures. But we
remember Carter's first and last days.

---
Yeah, WE do but they didn't. They are not going to gush over someone
they don't know. Indeed, Morganstern's mentor was totally unknown to
everyone despite him being the guy who built the ER. Time moves on. I
found how he was greeted realistic.

Even Morganstern wasn't recognized by anyone, he had to tell them who he
was. I think the point is that, for Carter, his life has been so different
in the interim that time has kind of stood still for him while it has moved
on rapidly for everyone else.

Post by Darren Thornton
It was obvious that he had some issues. Note
the stubble. We see that he was on a machine.

---
Dialysis.

Post by Darren Thornton
Most of the other
folks looked much older.

-----
Many people live long lives while having diabetes, but I don't think
Carter has diabetes.

And, like any other chronic illness, renal failure becomes more common the
older one gets. Most dialysis patients aren't diabetics, they've lost renal
function due to hypertensive vascular disease.

Post by Darren Thornton
This is supposed to set up other visits.
That makes perfect sense. Only Mark Greene could evoke such
emotions.

----
I believe he is dying judging from the far off look of despair he had
on his face, which is why I don't think he has "run of the mill"
diabetes. Perhaps he has kidney cancer, or virus that attacks that
organ.

Kidney cancer doesn't require dialysis. A virus that destroyed his kidneys
is possible, but it doesn't mean he's going to die from it.

snip

Post by Darren Thornton
Cate was back. She hasn't given up
on conceiving a child.

----
No but Lucy has open her eyes to adoption, but having her niece as
her ovary donor doesn't freak me out.

Doesn't bother me much, either. Finding an African American egg donor is
tough enough, why not find one with whom you have some genetics in common?
The pregnancy is going to happen in a lab, it isn't like Banfield wants her
niece to get busy with her husband. That would be freaky.
It is odd but it doesn't really bother me.

Post by Darren Thornton

Cate

appeared to do the same for her niece.

---
Which is why I disagree with you about not imagining Cate being a
mother.

Post by Darren Thornton
Wallace Shawn gave us some more delightful moments. I remember
his work on Clueless, Murphy Brown, and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
While in college, I attended a production of this play. It was a good
choice for the episode.
I could have done without Jerry hitting on Carter. Pump his
stomach! That stuff looked nasty. But put it in a can, choose a
snazzy name, and voila!

----
It just revealed that he was gay or at lest bi-sexual. Being stoned
doesn't change your sexual inclinations, just perhaps releases you
inhibitions, like Neela is potentially very promiscuous when she is
drunk.

I think it revealed Jerry has a sense of humor. I thought the whole thing
was Jerry making a joke about the love potion. I think it had a lot more to
do with Jerry's sense of humor than his sexuality.

Post by Darren Thornton
Neela to cut
too much. By the way, going to Venice with Brennan seems risky.

---
Why?

Because the dollar sucks against the Euro? Or, it did when I was in Venice
last summer. Otherwise, I thought it was very romantic. I'm a sucker for
Venice, most romantic city evah.

snip

Sharon

[Ellen K Hursh]

Post by Hunter

Post by Darren Thornton
         It was obvious that he had some issues. Note
the stubble.   We see that he was on a machine.

---
Dialysis.

Post by Darren Thornton
 This is supposed to set up other visits.
That makes perfect sense.   Only Mark Greene could evoke such
emotions.

----
I believe he is dying judging from the far off look of despair he had
on his face,

Eh. I saw it more as extreme boredom than despair - how exciting can
it be, to sit in a chair for what, four to five hours while a machine
filters your blood?

Post by Hunter

Post by Darren Thornton
She still seems like a nice person.   I hope things work out.
But that's up to the actors and writers.

---
I think she is a nice person too, but if she isn't going to say
anything when brutality is in front of her then it will go on. I do
understand the position she is in though. If she says something she
will be hounded out of her job. Ostracized. Maybe left to her own
devices during a emergency like Serpico was. She is pretty and
built just like I prefer my girls to be built chubby but yet some how
athletic looking. There's muscle under that baby fat. LOL.
However, judging from the previews she could be dead next week.

Yeah, I expected her to be brought in at the end of tonight's episode.