Southland

[Clifford T. Newsome]

Anyone catch the successor show? I thought it was very well done, good
production values and acting. Very realistic, reminds me of that movie about
L.A. cops that starred Robert Duvall and Sean Penn, they even bleeped out
profanity several times (sucks that they have to, but still much better
than, say, the ludicrous dubbing A&E does with The Sopranos).

But as I was watching it, I thought again, what do they do with this next
year if it catches on? Put a show with extreme violence and language on at 9
pm? This Leno thing may be the dumbest move I've ever witnessed by a
network. I know there's a certain Mr. O'Brien who absolutely agrees with me!

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by Clifford T. Newsome
Anyone catch the successor show? I thought it was very well done, good
production values and acting. Very realistic, reminds me of that movie about
L.A. cops that starred Robert Duvall and Sean Penn, they even bleeped out
profanity several times (sucks that they have to, but still much better
than, say, the ludicrous dubbing A&E does with The Sopranos).
But as I was watching it, I thought again, what do they do with this next
year if it catches on? Put a show with extreme violence and language on at 9
pm? This Leno thing may be the dumbest move I've ever witnessed by a
network. I know there's a certain Mr. O'Brien who absolutely agrees with me!

I watched the show and to be honest I was not impressed. Too much
violence. I mean it may be realistic if police work but I did not care
to see it. I mean in one hour we had a shooting and a murdered child!
Yes it was well done and all but I just don't think it will last. We
already have enough cop shows on NBC alone. Do we really need another?

[Hunter]

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Post by Clifford T. Newsome
Anyone catch the successor show? I thought it was very well done, good
production values and acting. Very realistic, reminds me of that movie about
L.A. cops that starred Robert Duvall and Sean Penn, they even bleeped out
profanity several times (sucks that they have to, but still much better
than, say, the ludicrous dubbing A&E does with The Sopranos).
But as I was watching it, I thought again, what do they do with this next
year if it catches on? Put a show with extreme violence and language on at 9
pm? This Leno thing may be the dumbest move I've ever witnessed by a
network. I know there's a certain Mr. O'Brien who absolutely agrees with me!

I watched the show and to be honest I was not impressed. Too much
violence. I mean it may be realistic if police work but I did not care
to see it. I mean in one hour we had a shooting and a murdered child!
Yes it was well done and all but I just don't think it will last. We
already have enough cop shows on NBC alone. Do we really need another?

---
One can argue that the level of violence between "ER" and "Southland"
is the same. That is in "Southland" we see the violent act. In ER we
see the AFTERMATH of the violent act. In either case a person is in
distress. Besides it is a cop show as you point out so it is SOP.
Even the dramady cop show "The Unusuals" is pretty violent in it's
first episode. There are a lot of cop shows around because I guess
they are bursting with interpersonal conflict. And conflict is the
chief source of drama. In cop shows you see that conflict at its
rawest level.

Besides, it looks like "Life" is going to fail unfortunately so that
will be one less police procedural on NBC. At least we got to see
Cromartie's*-I mean John Henry's*-I mean Roman Nevikov's windpipe
crushed!

*Fans of both "Life" and "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles"
know what I am referring to LOL!

[Cory]

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Post by Clifford T. Newsome
Anyone catch the successor show? I thought it was very well done, good
production values and acting. Very realistic, reminds me of that movie about
L.A. cops that starred Robert Duvall and Sean Penn, they even bleeped out
profanity several times (sucks that they have to, but still much better
than, say, the ludicrous dubbing A&E does with The Sopranos).
But as I was watching it, I thought again, what do they do with this next
year if it catches on? Put a show with extreme violence and language on at 9
pm? This Leno thing may be the dumbest move I've ever witnessed by a
network. I know there's a certain Mr. O'Brien who absolutely agrees with me!

I read somewhere on the 'net the other day that there are absolutely
ZERO plans to bring Southland back in the fall.

The ratings were also not all that great, either (which may be an
indirect reason why they aren't going to renew it after this season, but
from what I read, I got the impression that they never, ever planned on
extending it past this season).

--- Cory

[DLCandC]

Post by Cory
says...

Post by Clifford T. Newsome
Anyone catch the successor show? I thought it was very well done, good
production values and acting. Very realistic, reminds me of that movie about
L.A. cops that starred Robert Duvall and Sean Penn, they even bleeped out
profanity several times (sucks that they have to, but still much better
than, say, the ludicrous dubbing A&E does with The Sopranos).
But as I was watching it, I thought again, what do they do with this next
year if it catches on? Put a show with extreme violence and language on at 9
pm? This Leno thing may be the dumbest move I've ever witnessed by a
network. I know there's a certain Mr. O'Brien who absolutely agrees with me!

I read somewhere on the 'net the other day that there are absolutely
ZERO plans to bring Southland back in the fall.
The ratings were also not all that great, either (which may be an
indirect reason why they aren't going to renew it after this season, but
from what I read, I got the impression that they never, ever planned on
extending it past this season).
--- Cory

Why in the world would they develope a show and then only have it on
for 1/2 a season? If that long? That is terribly weird.
----
Lori

[Cory]

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Post by Cory
I read somewhere on the 'net the other day that there are absolutely
ZERO plans to bring Southland back in the fall.
The ratings were also not all that great, either (which may be an
indirect reason why they aren't going to renew it after this season, but
from what I read, I got the impression that they never, ever planned on
extending it past this season).
--- Cory

Why in the world would they develope a show and then only have it on
for 1/2 a season? If that long? That is terribly weird.
----
Lori

My understanding is that they needed something to fill the gap left by
ER until the end of the season, and this is what they went with.

That said, I will try REALLY hard in the next day or so to find that
article I read. I keep my browser history for an extended period of
time, so if I DID read on the 'net somewhere that they weren't planning
on bringing the show back next year, I'll be able to find it.

--- Cory

[Hunter]

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Post by Cory
I read somewhere on the 'net the other day that there are absolutely
ZERO plans to bring Southland back in the fall.
The ratings were also not all that great, either (which may be an
indirect reason why they aren't going to renew it after this season, but
from what I read, I got the impression that they never, ever planned on
extending it past this season).
--- Cory

Why in the world would they develope a show and then only have it on
for 1/2 a season? If that long? That is terribly weird.
----
Lori

My understanding is that they needed something to fill the gap left by
ER until the end of the season, and this is what they went with.
That said, I will try REALLY hard in the next day or so to find that
article I read. I keep my browser history for an extended period of
time, so if I DID read on the 'net somewhere that they weren't planning
on bringing the show back next year, I'll be able to find it.
--- Cory

---
I don't by it. NBC heavily promoted it as the heir to ER stressing it
was from the same producers. I don't think they would go through all
that promotion emphasising its pedigree only to drop it regardless on
how well it does.

Unless the ratings are very bad I think you will see it on the fall
schedule.

[sharon]

Post by Cory
says...

Post by Clifford T. Newsome
Anyone catch the successor show? I thought it was very well done, good
production values and acting. Very realistic, reminds me of that movie about
L.A. cops that starred Robert Duvall and Sean Penn, they even bleeped out
profanity several times (sucks that they have to, but still much better
than, say, the ludicrous dubbing A&E does with The Sopranos).
But as I was watching it, I thought again, what do they do with this next
year if it catches on? Put a show with extreme violence and language on at 9
pm? This Leno thing may be the dumbest move I've ever witnessed by a
network. I know there's a certain Mr. O'Brien who absolutely agrees with me!

I read somewhere on the 'net the other day that there are absolutely
ZERO plans to bring Southland back in the fall.
The ratings were also not all that great, either (which may be an
indirect reason why they aren't going to renew it after this season, but
from what I read, I got the impression that they never, ever planned on
extending it past this season).
--- Cory

Why in the world would they develope a show and then only have it on
for 1/2 a season? If that long? That is terribly weird.
----
Lori

I think I read somewhere that the only reason 'Southland' made the air at
all was as part of the negotiations with ER's TPTB for the finale.
Originally, ER was supposed to end in February, but, with this season being
better received than expected, and with NBC not having anything else to
replace it; they asked ER's producers to gve them several more eppies than
were originally contracted. In return for producing the extra eppies, John
Wells negotiated for NBC to pick up 'Southland', a show which hadn't sold
for broadcast, for a limited run in ER's slot. I presume Wells et al were
hoping that, by showcasing 'Southland' in a favored spot, they might build
an audience for the show and get it picked up for the regular season next
year. NBC needed programming, Wells had a show he wanted to get on the air;
so they made a deal.

Sharon

[DLCandC]

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Post by Cory
says...

Post by Clifford T. Newsome
Anyone catch the successor show? I thought it was very well done, good
production values and acting. Very realistic, reminds me of that movie about
L.A. cops that starred Robert Duvall and Sean Penn, they even bleeped out
profanity several times (sucks that they have to, but still much better
than, say, the ludicrous dubbing A&E does with The Sopranos).
But as I was watching it, I thought again, what do they do with this next
year if it catches on? Put a show with extreme violence and language on at 9
pm? This Leno thing may be the dumbest move I've ever witnessed by a
network. I know there's a certain Mr. O'Brien who absolutely agrees with me!

I read somewhere on the 'net the other day that there are absolutely
ZERO plans to bring Southland back in the fall.
The ratings were also not all that great, either (which may be an
indirect reason why they aren't going to renew it after this season, but
from what I read, I got the impression that they never, ever planned on
extending it past this season).
--- Cory

Why in the world would they develope a show and then only have it on
for 1/2 a season?  If that long?  That is terribly weird.
----
Lori
I think I read somewhere that the only reason 'Southland' made the air at
all was as part of the negotiations with ER's TPTB for the finale.
Originally, ER was supposed to end in February, but, with this season being
better received than expected, and with NBC not having anything else to
replace it; they asked ER's producers to gve them several more eppies than
were originally contracted.  In return for producing the extra eppies, John
Wells negotiated for NBC to pick up 'Southland', a show which hadn't sold
for broadcast, for a limited run in ER's slot.  I presume Wells et al were
hoping that, by showcasing 'Southland' in a favored spot, they might build
an audience for the show and get it picked up for the regular season next
year.  NBC needed programming, Wells had a show he wanted to get on the air;
so they made a deal.
Sharon- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Good move by Wells! I haven't watched the new "Southland" but I might
try to tonight.
----
Lori

[Clifford T. Newsome]

Post by sharon
I think I read somewhere that the only reason 'Southland' made the air at
all was as part of the negotiations with ER's TPTB for the finale.
Originally, ER was supposed to end in February, but, with this season
being better received than expected, and with NBC not having anything else
to replace it; they asked ER's producers to gve them several more eppies
than were originally contracted. In return for producing the extra
eppies, John Wells negotiated for NBC to pick up 'Southland', a show which
hadn't sold for broadcast, for a limited run in ER's slot. I presume
Wells et al were hoping that, by showcasing 'Southland' in a favored spot,
they might build an audience for the show and get it picked up for the
regular season next year. NBC needed programming, Wells had a show he
wanted to get on the air; so they made a deal.
Sharon

Might have worked if not for the Leno move. That's not a 9 pm show.

Perhaps dramas like it and SVU will end up on USA next year.

[Cory]

Thank you for the informative post, Sharon. I still can't find the
"thing" I read anywhere, but you hit the nail on the proverbial head
very nicely with your memory recall of the sequence of events.

--- Cory

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Post by Clifford T. Newsome
But as I was watching it, I thought again, what do they do with this
next year if it catches on? Put a show with extreme violence and language on
at 9 pm? This Leno thing may be the dumbest move I've ever witnessed by a
network. I know there's a certain Mr. O'Brien who absolutely agrees with me!

I read somewhere on the 'net the other day that there are absolutely
ZERO plans to bring Southland back in the fall.
The ratings were also not all that great, either (which may be an
indirect reason why they aren't going to renew it after this season, but
from what I read, I got the impression that they never, ever planned on
extending it past this season).
--- Cory

Why in the world would they develope a show and then only have it on
for 1/2 a season? If that long? That is terribly weird.
----
Lori
I think I read somewhere that the only reason 'Southland' made the air at
all was as part of the negotiations with ER's TPTB for the finale.
Originally, ER was supposed to end in February, but, with this season being
better received than expected, and with NBC not having anything else to
replace it; they asked ER's producers to gve them several more eppies than
were originally contracted. In return for producing the extra eppies, John
Wells negotiated for NBC to pick up 'Southland', a show which hadn't sold
for broadcast, for a limited run in ER's slot. I presume Wells et al were
hoping that, by showcasing 'Southland' in a favored spot, they might build
an audience for the show and get it picked up for the regular season next
year. NBC needed programming, Wells had a show he wanted to get on the air;
so they made a deal.
Sharon

[sharon]

Post by Cory
says...

Post by Clifford T. Newsome
Anyone catch the successor show? I thought it was very well done, good
production values and acting. Very realistic, reminds me of that movie about
L.A. cops that starred Robert Duvall and Sean Penn, they even bleeped out
profanity several times (sucks that they have to, but still much better
than, say, the ludicrous dubbing A&E does with The Sopranos).
But as I was watching it, I thought again, what do they do with this next
year if it catches on? Put a show with extreme violence and language on at 9
pm? This Leno thing may be the dumbest move I've ever witnessed by a
network. I know there's a certain Mr. O'Brien who absolutely agrees with me!

I read somewhere on the 'net the other day that there are absolutely
ZERO plans to bring Southland back in the fall.
The ratings were also not all that great, either (which may be an
indirect reason why they aren't going to renew it after this season, but
from what I read, I got the impression that they never, ever planned on
extending it past this season).
--- Cory

Why in the world would they develope a show and then only have it on
for 1/2 a season? If that long? That is terribly weird.
----
Lori

I think I read somewhere that the only reason 'Southland' made the air at
all was as part of the negotiations with ER's TPTB for the finale.
Originally, ER was supposed to end in February, but, with this season being
better received than expected, and with NBC not having anything else to
replace it; they asked ER's producers to gve them several more eppies than
were originally contracted. In return for producing the extra eppies, John
Wells negotiated for NBC to pick up 'Southland', a show which hadn't sold
for broadcast, for a limited run in ER's slot. I presume Wells et al were
hoping that, by showcasing 'Southland' in a favored spot, they might build
an audience for the show and get it picked up for the regular season next
year. NBC needed programming, Wells had a show he wanted to get on the air;
so they made a deal.

Sharon

[Hunter]

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Post by Clifford T. Newsome
Anyone catch the successor show? I thought it was very well done, good
production values and acting. Very realistic, reminds me of that movie about
L.A. cops that starred Robert Duvall and Sean Penn, they even bleeped out
profanity several times (sucks that they have to, but still much better
than, say, the ludicrous dubbing A&E does with The Sopranos).

----
It is a pretty good show. I'll watch it again next week. Of course
they took the basic premise of ER from the beginning and applied it
to Southland. That is a rookie cop (doctor) on his first day is
disrespected by the staff and is driving hard by his training officer
(Resident) but it is for his own good as the rookie cop (doctor) is
overwhelmed. At the end of the day he is comforted by a girl (Dr.
Greene) after a hard and trying day-in the cops case killing a person
no matter how justified and in Dr. Carter's case losing a patient-and
is ready to face another day.

As for the bleeping out it maybe just a gimmick to give the illusion
of an edgy show like "The Shield" and The Sopranos were, a little
psychological trick to lessen the advantage a cable show has.

Post by Clifford T. Newsome
But as I was watching it, I thought again, what do they do with this next
year if it catches on? Put a show with extreme violence and language on at 9
pm? This Leno thing may be the dumbest move I've ever witnessed by a
network. I know there's a certain Mr. O'Brien who absolutely agrees with me!

----
Move Leno to another night in the same timeslot?

Southland maybe a successful show but I doubt if we will be seeing
the season finale in the year 2024.

[Maybe]

Post by Hunter
Move Leno to another night in the same timeslot?

Leno is going to be on five nights a week in the 10 pm (ET/PT)
timeslot.

Maybe...which does suck!

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Post by Hunter
Move Leno to another night in the same timeslot?

Leno is going to be on five nights a week in the 10 pm (ET/PT)
timeslot.
Maybe...which does suck!

---
Oh, I didn't know that. I'm a Leno man over a Letterman (pun
intended, I don't think Letterman's jokes are that funny) but I
didn't really follow what was up with Leno's new show.

Anyway, I don't think "Southland" is that violent, no more so than
some other cop shows on "free" tv. I don't see them making such a
stink about "Southland" for it to be just spring and summer filler.
Maybe they will move it to Sundays in the Fall up against CBS's "Cold
Case" or "The Unit" or move Leno to 9pm Mon-Fri (doubtful).

[BQ]

Post by Clifford T. Newsome
Anyone catch the successor show? I thought it was very well done, good
production values and acting. Very realistic, reminds me of that movie
about L.A. cops that starred Robert Duvall and Sean Penn, they even
bleeped out profanity several times (sucks that they have to, but still
much better than, say, the ludicrous dubbing A&E does with The Sopranos).
But as I was watching it, I thought again, what do they do with this next
year if it catches on? Put a show with extreme violence and language on at
9 pm? This Leno thing may be the dumbest move I've ever witnessed by a
network. I know there's a certain Mr. O'Brien who absolutely agrees with me!

I watched it and was unsure at first, but by the middle of the show, I liked
what I was seeing. I would like to see more of it!