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Carter
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Joxer
2009-02-20 20:48:10 UTC
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I just finished wathching the last er episode.

Anyone care to explain what that last scene with
Carter was all about?

Did I miss somewhere in the episode where they
touched on this?
Maybe
2009-02-20 21:15:54 UTC
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I just finished wathching the last er episode. �
Anyone care to explain what that last scene with
Carter was all about?
Did I miss somewhere in the episode where they
touched on this?
He is obviously getting dialysis for failing kidneys. It was not
touched upon in the episode. He only said he would be in Chicago for
a few weeks and would like to do some extra shifts at the hospital.

Maybe...so either he will die or get a transplant
Ellen K Hursh
2009-02-21 01:10:24 UTC
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He is obviously getting dialysis for failing kidneys.  It was not
touched upon in the episode.   He only said he would be in Chicago for
a few weeks and would like to do some extra shifts at the hospital.
Maybe...so either he will die or get a transplant
And *who* do we know at County who's been really really jazzed about
getting in on transplants? (Hm... in the event of a mislabel giving a
type AB patient - which Carter is - a type O kidney (the reverse of
what happened in last night's episode), is it OK to carry on with the
transplant, or does that also have to be aborted?)
Sharon Too
2009-02-21 02:45:38 UTC
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Post by Ellen K Hursh
And *who* do we know at County who's been really really jazzed about
getting in on transplants? (Hm... in the event of a mislabel giving a
type AB patient - which Carter is - a type O kidney (the reverse of
what happened in last night's episode), is it OK to carry on with the
transplant, or does that also have to be aborted?)

All I know as a designate kidney donor for my best friend (when she gets
healthy enough for the surgery) is that you have to be the same blood type.
It's not as picky as other organs, but the blood type does have to be the
same.
sharon
2009-02-21 15:09:40 UTC
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He is obviously getting dialysis for failing kidneys. It was not
touched upon in the episode. He only said he would be in Chicago for
a few weeks and would like to do some extra shifts at the hospital.
Maybe...so either he will die or get a transplant
And *who* do we know at County who's been really really jazzed about
getting in on transplants? (Hm... in the event of a mislabel giving a
type AB patient - which Carter is - a type O kidney (the reverse of
what happened in last night's episode), is it OK to carry on with the
transplant, or does that also have to be aborted?)

Carter's blood type is Oneg. We know the heart transplant lady is also type
O. Either they will both get organs from the same donor or heart lady will
die and Carter will get her kidney, IMO.

Technically, someone who is Oneg can be an organ donor to anyone since their
red cells carry none of the proteins that make up blood type (A or B) and Rh
and cause major transfusion reactions. That's why they hang Oneg blood on
trauma patients before they have their blood type, it won't cause a
transfusion reaction due to mismatch. However, they usually try to match the
blood type for organ donations.

Sharon
Ellen K Hursh
2009-02-21 19:30:10 UTC
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Post by sharon
Carter's blood type is Oneg.
*facepalm* Right, right. Too much time spent in other fandoms.
MeadowlandsNJ
2009-02-28 21:37:01 UTC
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Post by Ellen K Hursh
He is obviously getting dialysis for failing kidneys. It was not
touched upon in the episode. He only said he would be in Chicago for
a few weeks and would like to do some extra shifts at the hospital.
Maybe...so either he will die or get a transplant
And *who* do we know at County who's been really really jazzed about
getting in on transplants? (Hm... in the event of a mislabel giving a
type AB patient - which Carter is - a type O kidney (the reverse of
what happened in last night's episode), is it OK to carry on with the
transplant, or does that also have to be aborted?)
Carter's blood type is Oneg. �We know the heart transplant lady is also type
O. �Either they will both get organs from the same donor or heart lady will
die and Carter will get her kidney, IMO.
Technically, someone who is Oneg can be an organ donor to anyone since their
red cells carry none of the proteins that make up blood type (A or B) and Rh
and cause major transfusion reactions. That's why they hang Oneg blood on
trauma patients before they have their blood type, it won't cause a
transfusion reaction due to mismatch. However, they usually try to match the
blood type for organ donations.
Sharon
Actually you don't die if you don't get a kidney transplant. You can
stay on dialysis for years and lead a healthy, productive life. I was
on dialysis, had a transplant that lasted for 10 years and now am back
on dialysis since March 2005. People raise families, go to school,
work, travel while they're on dialysis. It's not an easy life but you
just do it. If anyone has any questions about dialysis feel free to
ask me, I'm really glad they are using dialysis in a storyline like
this where it's not just elderly, sickly people. This is a chance to
dispel some of the myths and inaccuracies about dialysis. There is a
17 year old girl at my clinic, a 24 year old man and I'm 46 and we
look like normal everyday people. One thin though-he said he used a
shunt for dialysis--you either use a graft, fistula or a catheter to
have dialysis. A shunt is never used.

Thanks
Donna
sharon
2009-03-01 01:36:55 UTC
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Post by Ellen K Hursh
He is obviously getting dialysis for failing kidneys. It was not
touched upon in the episode. He only said he would be in Chicago for
a few weeks and would like to do some extra shifts at the hospital.
Maybe...so either he will die or get a transplant
And *who* do we know at County who's been really really jazzed about
getting in on transplants? (Hm... in the event of a mislabel giving a
type AB patient - which Carter is - a type O kidney (the reverse of
what happened in last night's episode), is it OK to carry on with the
transplant, or does that also have to be aborted?)
Carter's blood type is Oneg. �We know the heart transplant lady is also type
O. �Either they will both get organs from the same donor or heart lady will
die and Carter will get her kidney, IMO.
Technically, someone who is Oneg can be an organ donor to anyone since their
red cells carry none of the proteins that make up blood type (A or B) and Rh
and cause major transfusion reactions. That's why they hang Oneg blood on
trauma patients before they have their blood type, it won't cause a
transfusion reaction due to mismatch. However, they usually try to match the
blood type for organ donations.
Sharon
Actually you don't die if you don't get a kidney transplant. You can
stay on dialysis for years and lead a healthy, productive life. I was
on dialysis, had a transplant that lasted for 10 years and now am back
on dialysis since March 2005. People raise families, go to school,
work, travel while they're on dialysis. It's not an easy life but you
just do it. If anyone has any questions about dialysis feel free to
ask me, I'm really glad they are using dialysis in a storyline like
this where it's not just elderly, sickly people. This is a chance to
dispel some of the myths and inaccuracies about dialysis. There is a
17 year old girl at my clinic, a 24 year old man and I'm 46 and we
look like normal everyday people. One thin though-he said he used a
shunt for dialysis--you either use a graft, fistula or a catheter to
have dialysis. A shunt is never used.

Thanks
Donna

A shunt is another name for the plastic catheter that is used for dialysis
in some cases until a fistula can be constructed and matured. I think
that's what he had. Presuming Carter just started dialysis, it would make
sense that he hasn't had time yet to get a fistula done, though, if he
needed a revision on his shunt, presumably for a clot, it would've made
sense to have a fistula placed then. I presume TPTB decided that a fistula
wouldn't look dramatic enough for TV since they're pretty tough to see
unless you know what to look for.


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I, too, am glad the show is giving some time to showing the effects of
kidney failure and the need for organ donations. The only thing that is
unrealistic is that Carter apparently zooms to the top of the transplant
list and gets a kidney in record time. As you know, most folks spend years
on the list. The show also needs to address living donors and why Carter's
parents or cousin aren't candidates to donate to him.

Sharon

Sharon
Sharon Too
2009-03-01 04:55:50 UTC
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The show also needs to address living donors and why Carter's parents or
cousin aren't candidates to donate to him.
They may be candidates, but it doesn't mean they're willing to donate. My
friend's family, for whatever reasons, are not donating. Instead, I'm her
donor once she gets strong enough for surgery. I've had second thoughts in
the past, so I understand why it's not for every one.

Carter has divorced parents who have shown a selfish streak in the past.
Maybe they'll make up a medical reason why they can't donate. I imagine that
cousin Chase would not be considered a viable donor for reasons other than
medical due to his limitations from the overdose/brain injury.

Then there is that sister of his that went missing after season 1, possibly
to hook up with Chuck Cunningham from happy Days.
sharon
2009-03-01 16:46:52 UTC
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The show also needs to address living donors and why Carter's parents or
cousin aren't candidates to donate to him.
They may be candidates, but it doesn't mean they're willing to donate. My
friend's family, for whatever reasons, are not donating. Instead, I'm her
donor once she gets strong enough for surgery. I've had second thoughts in
the past, so I understand why it's not for every one.
Carter has divorced parents who have shown a selfish streak in the past.
Maybe they'll make up a medical reason why they can't donate. I imagine
that cousin Chase would not be considered a viable donor for reasons other
than medical due to his limitations from the overdose/brain injury.
Then there is that sister of his that went missing after season 1,
possibly to hook up with Chuck Cunningham from happy Days.
I agree, there may be personal reasons why a family member may not want to
donate; but even those should be addressed by the show, IMO. Carter's
mother also had some substance abuse issues, as I recall, which might
disqualfy her from donation.

As an intern, I was on a renal service where we frequently evaluated
potential kidney donors who wanted to give to a family member. There was a
very long list of disqualifying conditions and many people were removed from
consideration for things they didn't even know they had. I recall a couple
of siblings who couldn't donate to their sister because it turned out both
had congenital malforations of one of their kidneys. Their renal function
was normal, they had no idea there was a problem untl they began donor
screening. Another woman who wanted to donate to her brother had a history
of having had a kidney infection as a teen. She was treated with
antibiotics, recovered quickly, didn't think a thing about it. It turned
out both of her kidneys had significant scar tissue from the infection,
putting her at risk for future renal failure and disqulifying her.

There can also be personal situations in families that preclude donation at
that time. For example, my mother was on dialysis for 4 years before she
died. After about 2 years, she decided to pursue a possible transplant.
One of my sisters was trying to get pregnant at the time and was already in
her mid 30's. Delaying a pregnancy to donate was not a good option for her.
I had just borrowed $150,000 to start my own medical practice. There was no
way I could take six weeks off work at that moment and not default on the
loan.

I also was personally opposed to my mother getting a transplant because she
had severe vascular disease affecting multiple organ systems and I felt that
it was unlikely that a transplant would prolong her life, more likely, she'd
have a stroke or heart attack from the process which would shorten her life
or decrease the quality of it. She went to Cleveland Clinic for a consult
where the gung ho transplant team told her what a wonderful challenge her
case would be. First, they would assess her carotid arteries, which were
undoubtedly diseased, and surgically repair them. Then, if she didn't
stroke out or die from that; they'd assess her coronaries and do a bypass.
If she made it through that, then they'd consider transplanting a kidney.
The docs actually told her this stuff with a straight face as though it was
a good idea. My father attended the appointment with her and called me
afterwards to vent, 'What is wrong with these people? Are they nuts? They
want to kill her!' I agreed with his assessment and told him all about
major medical centers and 'teaching cases'. Luckily, my mother, who wasn't
too keen on hearing what I had to say on the topic, had a terrific internist
who laid it out for her and told her she was far more likely to die in the
process than to end up with a functioning kidney and she decided against
continuing.

Sharon
MeadowlandsNJ
2009-03-01 20:53:46 UTC
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The show also needs to address living donors and why Carter's parents or
cousin aren't candidates to donate to him.
They may be candidates, but it doesn't mean they're willing to donate. My
friend's family, for whatever reasons, are not donating. Instead, I'm her
donor once she gets strong enough for surgery. I've had second thoughts in
the past, so I understand why it's not for every one.
Carter has divorced parents who have shown a selfish streak in the past.
Maybe they'll make up a medical reason why they can't donate. I imagine
that cousin Chase would not be considered a viable donor for reasons other
than medical due to his limitations from the overdose/brain injury.
Then there is that sister of his that went missing after season 1,
possibly to hook up with Chuck Cunningham from happy Days.
I agree, there may be personal reasons why a family member may not want to
donate; but even those should be addressed by the show, IMO. �Carter's
mother also had some substance abuse issues, as I recall, which might
disqualfy her from donation.
As an intern, I was on a renal service where we frequently evaluated
potential kidney donors who wanted to give to a family member. �There was a
very long list of disqualifying conditions and many people were removed from
consideration for things they didn't even know they had. �I recall a couple
of siblings who couldn't donate to their sister because it turned out both
had congenital malforations of one of their kidneys. �Their renal function
was normal, they had no idea there was a problem untl they began donor
screening. �Another woman who wanted to donate to her brother had a history
of having had a kidney infection as a teen. �She was treated with
antibiotics, recovered quickly, didn't think a thing about it. �It turned
out both of her kidneys had significant scar tissue from the infection,
putting her at risk for future renal failure and disqulifying her.
There can also be personal situations in families that preclude donation at
that time. �For example, my mother was on dialysis for 4 years before she
died. �After about 2 years, she decided to pursue a possible transplant.
One of my sisters was trying to get pregnant at the time and was already in
her mid 30's. Delaying a pregnancy to donate was not a good option for her.
I had just borrowed $150,000 to start my own medical practice. �There was no
way I could take six weeks off work at that moment and not default on the
loan.
I also was personally opposed to my mother getting a transplant because she
had severe vascular disease affecting multiple organ systems and I felt that
it was unlikely that a transplant would prolong her life, more likely, she'd
have a stroke or heart attack from the process which would shorten her life
or decrease the quality of it. �She went to Cleveland Clinic for a consult
where the gung ho transplant team told her what a wonderful challenge her
case would be. �First, they would assess her carotid arteries, which were
undoubtedly diseased, and surgically repair them. �Then, if she didn't
stroke out or die from that; they'd assess her coronaries and do a bypass.
If she made it through that, then they'd consider transplanting a kidney.
The docs actually told her this stuff with a straight face as though it was
a good idea. �My father attended the appointment with her and called me
afterwards to vent, 'What is wrong with these people? �Are they nuts? �They
want to kill her!' �I agreed with his assessment and told him all about
major medical centers and 'teaching cases'. �Luckily, my mother, who wasn't
too keen on hearing what I had to say on the topic, had a terrific internist
who laid it out for her and told her she was far more likely to die in the
process than to end up with a functioning kidney and she decided against
continuing.
Sharon- Hide quoted text -
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Thank you for your insight and sharing of your experience. My
transplant lasted ten years and I can say from experience it's not a
walk in the park to get and have one. You have to constantly go for
blood work in the beginning, take all kinds of medications. But it
was a great ten years with my mothers kidney. It is better than
dialysis in the long run but I'm grateful at least those of us with
CKD have these options like hemo dialysis, peritonial dialysis, home
dialysis and manual exchange PD dialysis. Home dialysis is the latest
mode that is gaining ground in the dialysis community. You have a
hemo machine at home and dialyze 2-3 hours a day or at night with
maybe one day off a week. You put your own needles in, monitor
yourself with a partner if needed and it's a lot better than three
days a week. It's called the NX Stage machine
Thanks
Donna

Dropping The Helicopter
2009-02-27 05:43:09 UTC
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Post by Ellen K Hursh
Post by Maybe
He is obviously getting dialysis for failing kidneys. It was not
touched upon in the episode. He only said he would be in Chicago for
a few weeks and would like to do some extra shifts at the hospital.
Maybe...so either he will die or get a transplant
And *who* do we know at County who's been really really jazzed about
getting in on transplants? (Hm... in the event of a mislabel giving a
type AB patient - which Carter is - a type O kidney (the reverse of
what happened in last night's episode), is it OK to carry on with the
transplant, or does that also have to be aborted?)
...OH...NO...THEY...DI'...INT....! The kidneys goes to Carter, the girl
goes to Beyonce?!?!?!
Maybe
2009-02-27 20:54:25 UTC
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On Feb 26, 9:43�pm, Dropping The Helicopter
...OH...NO...THEY...DI'...INT....! �The kidneys goes to Carter, the girl
goes to Beyonce?!?!?!
Hey, you stupid racist pig, when are you going to get her name right?
After the show is finished?? Stupid

She is not Beyonce
She is not Queen Latifah
She is not Gwen Ifil

Idiot.

See if you can say Angela Bassett

Maybe...who hopes the helicopter does fall on you
Dropping The Helicopter
2009-02-28 01:41:05 UTC
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Post by Maybe
On Feb 26, 9:43�pm, Dropping The Helicopter
...OH...NO...THEY...DI'...INT....! �The kidneys goes to Carter, the girl
goes to Beyonce?!?!?!
Hey, you stupid racist pig,
Why Hello Mr./Mrs./Ms. Maybe! What can I help you with this fine evening?
Post by Maybe
when are you going to get her name right?
Probably never. Why do you ask?
Post by Maybe
After the show is finished??
No, probably not even then.
Post by Maybe
Stupid
That's not even a sentence fragment.
Post by Maybe
She is not Beyonce
She is not Queen Latifah
She is not Gwen Ifil
Yet I have referred to her as all of those, to hilarious effect. Much
like how Jerry is not Kubiak, yet I insist on referring to him as
Kubiak, because of its infinite hilariosity. You're welcome.
Post by Maybe
Idiot.
Savant.
Post by Maybe
See if you can say Angela Bassett
Ang... Ang... nope, can't do it. You'll simply have to get used to
laughing at my hilarious malapropisms until your sides ache!
Post by Maybe
Maybe...who hopes the helicopter does fall on you
Dropping T. Helicopter, who wishes you no such ill.
Maybe
2009-02-28 05:53:14 UTC
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On Feb 27, 5:41�pm, Dropping The Helicopter
Post by Maybe
She is not Beyonce
She is not Queen Latifah
She is not Gwen Ifil
Yet I have referred to her as all of those, to hilarious effect. �
Yeah, but you seem to be the only one laughing. It is really not that
funny.

Maybe...hoping the last episode is not all the old regulars gathering
for Carter's funeral.
Dropping The Helicopter
2009-02-28 07:16:29 UTC
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Post by Maybe
On Feb 27, 5:41�pm, Dropping The Helicopter
Post by Maybe
She is not Beyonce
She is not Queen Latifah
She is not Gwen Ifil
She is not Kubiak.
She is not Serial Killer Guy.
She is not Abby II With Glasses.
Post by Maybe
Yet I have referred to her as all of those, to hilarious effect. �
Yeah, but you seem to be the only one laughing. It is really not that
funny.
It really is. In fact, it's so funny it made you stop calling me names,
didn't it? I'd say that's pretty funny!
Post by Maybe
Maybe...hoping the last episode is not all the old regulars gathering
for Carter's funeral.
Perhaps...one should think twice, insert foot in mouth once.
i***@yahoo.com
2009-02-23 06:07:05 UTC
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Post by Joxer
Anyone care to explain what that last scene with
Carter was all about?
He's a Cylon.
r***@magma.ca
2009-02-25 03:22:31 UTC
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I just finished wathching the last er episode.  
Anyone care to explain what that last scene with
Carter was all about?
Did I miss somewhere in the episode where they
touched on this?
See the posting on How ER Will End (No Spoilers)
Joxer
2009-02-25 19:37:38 UTC
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Post by r***@magma.ca
I just finished wathching the last er episode.  
Anyone care to explain what that last scene with
Carter was all about?
Did I miss somewhere in the episode where they
touched on this?
See the posting on How ER Will End (No Spoilers)
You mean the one where the kid is looking into the snow
globe and sees the ER?
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