They can't even do a *GIMMICK* right?!??!?!?

[Dropping The Helicopter]

OH. MY. GOD.

It's not really possible to brace oneself for the crushing
disappointment that each episode of "E.R." heaps upon us, is it? Having
seen the promo, we all knew we were in for a non-event, but the sheer
magnitude of the emptiness of the episode simply leaves me at a loss for
words. What the hell was that mess?

- The camel was just plain stupid. No, wait, not just plain stupid:
stupid supreme with extra cheese and guacamole.

- Stupider was the fact that the camel "story arc" SPANNED THE BLIPVERT.

- Nobody needs to see Dubenko's underpants. Funny factor = 0.0. Ick
factor = 12.7.

- Morris BREAKS FRANK'S HAND TO WIN A BET and NOBODY CALLS THE COPS AND
HAS HIM HAULED AWAY? W. H. A. T??!??!??!?

- Preacher Gal is so uninteresting that I can't even blame Uncle Jesse
for preparing to hook up with Sam. Oh, I'm sorry, I probably shouldn't
indulge in such wild speculation, I was probably just imagining the
subtle "let's get it on sweet cheeks" doe-eyes on both their parts. If
the TEERPTB know anything, it's "subtle".

- Who here DIDN'T think Preacher Gal's discussion with Sam at the
beginning was gong to end in steamy Preacher-On-Nurse action? Five'll
get you ten that's what they're setting up, mark my words. NOTE:
Breaking my hand to win that bet shall void said bet.

- What was with the seance BS? That was just sad. Not to mention
utterly ridiculous since everybody working the shift was in that damn
room. And then one shot of that wasn't enough, we get to have TWO.
"Dip your hands in this sterile water for some reason... well, it's
sterile until Uncle Jesse puts his mitts in it, but still." Pfhht.

- On the subject of Sam: DAMN GIRL! This was hands down "Hottest Ever"
Sam. I think it was that uniform. So I give the episode that. And
only that.

- So... was the dude really drunk? Did he live? That smelled for all
the world like E.R. Plot Device #5: "Dude appears to be a drunk driver -
Angry citizen(s) beat on Dude - Turns out Dude is not drunk but has a
rare disease/had a stroke while driving - Dude lives and/or dies from
beating - E.R. denizens all learn a little something about life and/or
death and/or love."

- So... did the girl he hit live? Die? Evaporate?

- Where the hell was the obligatory Christmas song? Throw us a fricken
bone here!

- And of course I won't even mention that, by my tally, there were
nowhere near the advertised 300 patients we were promised. I'm going to
stop counting E.R. patients and start counting E.R lies. I know they
far exceed 300.

[Hunter]

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
OH. MY. GOD.
It's not really possible to brace oneself for the crushing
disappointment that each episode of "E.R." heaps upon us, is it? Having
seen the promo, we all knew we were in for a non-event, but the sheer
magnitude of the emptiness of the episode simply leaves me at a loss for
words. What the hell was that mess?

----
Then why was it a crushing disappointment for you? I do agree it was much
ado about nothing.

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
stupid supreme with extra cheese and guacamole.

----
Comedic relief

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- Stupider was the fact that the camel "story arc" SPANNED THE BLIPVERT.
- Nobody needs to see Dubenko's underpants. Funny factor = 0.0. Ick
factor = 12.7.

----
I was too busy looking at Neela's ass along with her intern. Now that
could be sexual herassment as opposed to when he was asking about female
sex organs the night of his homecoming dance if I recall correctly.

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- Morris BREAKS FRANK'S HAND TO WIN A BET and NOBODY CALLS THE COPS AND
HAS HIM HAULED AWAY? W. H. A. T??!??!??!?

---
That would be up to Frank to press charges wouldn't it ?

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- Preacher Gal is so uninteresting that I can't even blame Uncle Jesse
for preparing to hook up with Sam. Oh, I'm sorry, I probably shouldn't
indulge in such wild speculation, I was probably just imagining the
subtle "let's get it on sweet cheeks" doe-eyes on both their parts. If
the TEERPTB know anything, it's "subtle".
- Who here DIDN'T think Preacher Gal's discussion with Sam at the
beginning was gong to end in steamy Preacher-On-Nurse action? Five'll
Breaking my hand to win that bet shall void said bet.

----
I didn't. Word marked and so is this post. We will find out in 2008, most
likely in the fall if there are no more episodes stockpiled this season.

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- What was with the seance BS? That was just sad. Not to mention
utterly ridiculous since everybody working the shift was in that damn
room. And then one shot of that wasn't enough, we get to have TWO.
"Dip your hands in this sterile water for some reason... well, it's
sterile until Uncle Jesse puts his mitts in it, but still." Pfhht.

---
It wasn't a seance, but an ecumenical rememberence of the dead that all
can participate in without religous values conflicting.

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- On the subject of Sam: DAMN GIRL! This was hands down "Hottest Ever"
Sam. I think it was that uniform. So I give the episode that. And
only that.

----
I agree with you about that. My Neala is still No.1 though. :-)

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- So... was the dude really drunk? Did he live? That smelled for all
the world like E.R. Plot Device #5: "Dude appears to be a drunk driver -
Angry citizen(s) beat on Dude - Turns out Dude is not drunk but has a
rare disease/had a stroke while driving - Dude lives and/or dies from
beating - E.R. denizens all learn a little something about life and/or
death and/or love."

---
Just a head tramua from hitting the steering wheel. Sam tried to explain
that to the guy who eventually kicked the victim in the head. He lived.
This happens in real life by the way, that is a virtual lynch mob gathers
around and beats up what it thinks is a drunk driver but simply groggy
from a head wound. Sometimes they are killed.

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- So... did the girl he hit live? Die? Evaporate?

----
She lived. Sam saved the day with a paramedic trick.

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- Where the hell was the obligatory Christmas song? Throw us a fricken
bone here!

----
One cliche that didn't appear.

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- And of course I won't even mention that, by my tally, there were
nowhere near the advertised 300 patients we were promised. I'm going to
stop counting E.R. patients and start counting E.R lies. I know they
far exceed 300.

----
It was over a 24 hour period we came in at hour 12 I think, got to check
the tape.

It sounds to me you are critizing ER for the sake of critizing. I thought
it was a good episode with lots of medical drama that many here say they
want.

One observation: "Grey's Anatomy" had a ambulance(s) in a collision
storyline also as a two parter, but far more harrowing in which one
person was killed and three seriously injured, two critically, all
paramedics. Not making anything out of it just an observation of a
coincidence.

[Snakes on a plane]

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
stupid supreme with extra cheese and guacamole.

----
Comedic relief

Comedic relief? No. Stupid? Yes.

During the camel segment I said to my myself that loud crashing sound
you hear? It's viewers turning the channel in droves.

Post by Hunter
I was too busy looking at Neela's ass along with her intern. Now that
could be sexual herassment as opposed to when he was asking about female
sex organs the night of his homecoming dance if I recall correctly.

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- Morris BREAKS FRANK'S HAND TO WIN A BET and NOBODY CALLS THE COPS AND
HAS HIM HAULED AWAY? W. H. A. T??!??!??!?

---
That would be up to Frank to press charges wouldn't it ?

I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV but the hospital could
seek charges against Morris, or they could call the police
and DA could press charges.

Isn't County owned by the City of Chicago?

Post by Hunter
It sounds to me you are critizing ER for the sake of critizing. I thought
it was a good episode with lots of medical drama that many here say they
want.

I thought it was the worst episode in ER history.

Post by Hunter
One observation: "Grey's Anatomy" had a ambulance(s) in a collision
storyline also as a two parter, but far more harrowing in which one
person was killed and three seriously injured, two critically, all
paramedics. Not making anything out of it just an observation of a
coincidence.

If ER wants to know how to do a collision refer back to Law & Order
Special Victims Unit last week when Stablers wife was on board in
Benson's car. Proabably the best episode of MH's career and the SVU
series. While Stabler's wife was in Benson's car it really drove
home the impact of a car crash. ER and GA should really
watch that episode before having any Ambulance accidents.

[Hematochezia]

<<Isn't County owned by the City of Chicago?>>



Huh!?!?!?!?

[unknown]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:29:06 -0800 (PST), Hematochezia

Post by Hematochezia
<<Isn't County owned by the City of Chicago?>>
Huh!?!?!?!?

I believe the premise of ER is the hospital is owned
and operated by the city of Chicago.

[Cory]

In article <***@4ax.com>, Snakes on a
plane <sent to usenet newsgroup> says...

Post by Snakes on a plane

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
stupid supreme with extra cheese and guacamole.

----
Comedic relief

Comedic relief? No. Stupid? Yes.
During the camel segment I said to my myself that loud crashing sound
you hear? It's viewers turning the channel in droves.

Post by Hunter
I was too busy looking at Neela's ass along with her intern. Now that
could be sexual herassment as opposed to when he was asking about female
sex organs the night of his homecoming dance if I recall correctly.

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- Morris BREAKS FRANK'S HAND TO WIN A BET and NOBODY CALLS THE COPS AND
HAS HIM HAULED AWAY? W. H. A. T??!??!??!?

---
That would be up to Frank to press charges wouldn't it ?

I'm not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV but the hospital could
seek charges against Morris, or they could call the police
and DA could press charges.
Isn't County owned by the City of Chicago?

For the purposes of ER, yes it is. If you read an article at WikiPedia,
however, it claims that "County General Hospital, a fictional hospital
that serves as the setting for the NBC serial medical drama ER, is
loosely based on Stroger/New Cook County hospital." (I personally have
trouble believing that ER's CCH is "loosely" based on the real CCH, but
whatever... see the entry at Wikipedia at http://snurl.com/1v6kn for
more info.) CCH recently underwent a name change (John H. Stroger Jr.
Hospital), though, and it's possible that one of the reasons for the
name change is that some corporation bought the facility from the
county.

If I'm not mistaken, CCH's experience is similar to what happened to
MCMC (Milwaukee County Medical Center) in Wisconsin when it was renamed
Doyne Hospital (John Doyne was the Milwaukee County Executive in the
60's). AAMOF, I can't even Google Doyne Hospital anymore, so I'm
guessing that that the hospital has been taken over by Froedtert
Memorial. In retrospect, they may have renamed it Doyne when Froedtert
took control of it, and I just missed that part of the story (I lived in
Milwaukee when MCMC was renamed).

--- Cory

[Paris Geller]

Post by Hunter
One observation: "Grey's Anatomy" had a ambulance(s) in a collision
storyline also as a two parter, but far more harrowing in which one
person was killed and three seriously injured, two critically, all
paramedics. Not making anything out of it just an observation of a
coincidence.

As an EMT i'd point out that an ambulance driver should be driving
in such a way that this never happens. Yes the lights and siren
give you the right of way but when you go through the intersection
and down the road you should be aware of what is in front of you and
approaching you on either side of the intersection. The ambulance
driver has the right of way but also has the responsibility to do
it safely and without accident.

Finally i'd point out only 10% of ambulance rides are of an
emergency nature where time is crucial. Most of the time the
patient is stable, and can be transported to the hospital
in a safe manner.

[n***@indiana.edu]

wrote:>One observation: "Grey's Anatomy" had a ambulance(s) in a collision

Post by Hunter
storyline also as a two parter, but far more harrowing in which one
person was killed and three seriously injured, two critically, all
paramedics. Not making anything out of it just an observation of a
coincidence.

As an EMT i'd point out that an ambulance driver should be driving
in such a way that this never happens. Yes the lights and siren
give you the right of way but when you go through the intersection
and down the road you should be aware of what is in front of you and
approaching you on either side of the intersection. The ambulance
driver has the right of way but also has the responsibility to do
it safely and without accident.
Finally i'd point out only 10% of ambulance rides are of an
emergency nature where time is crucial. Most of the time the
patient is stable, and can be transported to the hospital
in a safe manner.

IIRC, the lights/sirens weren't on, because they weren't on a call. I
missed exactly how the accident happened, (despite the fact that they
showed it three times....), but it looked like it was just 'an
accident'.

Naomi

[Cory]

Post by Paris Geller

Post by Hunter
One observation: "Grey's Anatomy" had a ambulance(s) in a collision
storyline also as a two parter, but far more harrowing in which one
person was killed and three seriously injured, two critically, all
paramedics. Not making anything out of it just an observation of a
coincidence.

As an EMT i'd point out that an ambulance driver should be driving
in such a way that this never happens. Yes the lights and siren
give you the right of way but when you go through the intersection
and down the road you should be aware of what is in front of you and
approaching you on either side of the intersection. The ambulance
driver has the right of way but also has the responsibility to do
it safely and without accident.
Finally i'd point out only 10% of ambulance rides are of an
emergency nature where time is crucial. Most of the time the
patient is stable, and can be transported to the hospital
in a safe manner.

A couple of years ago, as some of you may know, I fell critically ill
and had to be transported to the hospital via ambulance. The driver was
safe and cautious, and yes, the ambulance DID slow down when approaching
intersections... EVERY time. Even though they drove defensively (as I
feel they should do all of the time) and slowed down in time, I made it
to the hospital in pretty good time, I must say, and most importantly, I
arrived there SAFE.

Ambulances aren't going to do a sick person a bit of good if their
drivers drive recklessly and don't make it to the hospital with the
ambulance still in one piece.

--- Cory

[Dropping The Helicopter]

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
OH. MY. GOD.
It's not really possible to brace oneself for the crushing
disappointment that each episode of "E.R." heaps upon us, is it? Having
seen the promo, we all knew we were in for a non-event, but the sheer
magnitude of the emptiness of the episode simply leaves me at a loss for
words. What the hell was that mess?

----
Then why was it a crushing disappointment for you?

Allow me to wax allegorical. 'Round these parts, we have a restaurant
chain known as "Old Country Buffet". It's exactly what it sounds like:
a buffet with decent "homestyle" food. Some stuff is really good, most
stuff is decent, some is, well, not. Nobody's ever going to mistake it
for the Four Seasons. You go there primarily to stuff your gullet to
bursting, and you eat so much that you promise yourself you'll never do
it again. But eventually you do.

Now, let's say Old Country Buffet (or "OCB" as we like to call it) ran
an ad campaign to the effect of: "Every restaurant has its moments, but
this weekend, OCB is putting on the best spread in the history of dining
out. It's the buffet everybody will be talking about around the water
cooler all summer long." You know full well that's 100% BS, but you
think to yourself, "Meh, I gotta eat this weekend anyway, and I haven't
been there in a few weeks. I'll swing by on my way to the gym and load
up, even though I know full well that it'll be the same spread they
always have, and I'll feel like a cow for hours afterwards."

So, you skip dinner on Friday in preparation for your weekend pig-out,
stop by the OCB on Saturday... and all they have is half a tray of
mashed potatoes. And they're cold.

That's why E.R. was a crushing disappointment for me.

Post by Hunter
I do agree it was much
ado about nothing.

Exactly. Just like the OCB commercials.

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
stupid supreme with extra cheese and guacamole.

----
Comedic relief

I was relieved when it was over, but I don't think that's the definition
of "comic relief".

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- Stupider was the fact that the camel "story arc" SPANNED THE BLIPVERT.
- Nobody needs to see Dubenko's underpants. Funny factor = 0.0. Ick
factor = 12.7.

----
I was too busy looking at Neela's ass along with her intern.

You couldn't even see her ass - and believe me I was looking! See:
still MORE disappointment!

Post by Hunter
Now that
could be sexual herassment as opposed to when he was asking about female
sex organs the night of his homecoming dance if I recall correctly.

Don't follow. She asked him to get her phone.

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- Morris BREAKS FRANK'S HAND TO WIN A BET and NOBODY CALLS THE COPS AND
HAS HIM HAULED AWAY? W. H. A. T??!??!??!?

---
That would be up to Frank to press charges wouldn't it ?

Whoever, the point is they had Morris BREAK FRANK'S HAND TO WIN A BET.

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- Preacher Gal is so uninteresting that I can't even blame Uncle Jesse
for preparing to hook up with Sam. Oh, I'm sorry, I probably shouldn't
indulge in such wild speculation, I was probably just imagining the
subtle "let's get it on sweet cheeks" doe-eyes on both their parts. If
the TEERPTB know anything, it's "subtle".
- Who here DIDN'T think Preacher Gal's discussion with Sam at the
beginning was gong to end in steamy Preacher-On-Nurse action? Five'll
Breaking my hand to win that bet shall void said bet.

----
I didn't. Word marked and so is this post. We will find out in 2008, most
likely in the fall if there are no more episodes stockpiled this season.

THE BET IS ON!!!! ;-)

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- What was with the seance BS? That was just sad. Not to mention
utterly ridiculous since everybody working the shift was in that damn
room. And then one shot of that wasn't enough, we get to have TWO.
"Dip your hands in this sterile water for some reason... well, it's
sterile until Uncle Jesse puts his mitts in it, but still." Pfhht.

---
It wasn't a seance,

Preacher Gal herself called it a seance, at least allow me the same
linguistic latitude as a poorly-written fictional character.

Post by Hunter
but an ecumenical rememberence of the dead that all
can participate in without religous values conflicting.

Alright, alright:

"- What was with the ecumenical rememberence of the dead that all can
participate in without religious values conflicting BS? That was just sad."

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- On the subject of Sam: DAMN GIRL! This was hands down "Hottest Ever"
Sam. I think it was that uniform. So I give the episode that. And
only that.

----
I agree with you about that. My Neala is still No.1 though. :-)

I'm right there with you baby! Mmmmm, Neela/Helicopter/Sam-wich.......

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- So... was the dude really drunk? Did he live? That smelled for all
the world like E.R. Plot Device #5: "Dude appears to be a drunk driver -
Angry citizen(s) beat on Dude - Turns out Dude is not drunk but has a
rare disease/had a stroke while driving - Dude lives and/or dies from
beating - E.R. denizens all learn a little something about life and/or
death and/or love."

---
Just a head tramua from hitting the steering wheel. Sam tried to explain
that to the guy who eventually kicked the victim in the head.

She said that, but she never got his BAC that I saw.

Post by Hunter
He lived.

Neela picked some skull out of his brain, and that's the last we saw of him.

Post by Hunter
This happens in real life by the way, that is a virtual lynch mob gathers
around and beats up what it thinks is a drunk driver but simply groggy
from a head wound. Sometimes they are killed.

I suppose it does.

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- So... did the girl he hit live? Die? Evaporate?

----
She lived. Sam saved the day with a paramedic trick.

Right, but same deal: "OMGOMG airway! Here let me do this trick I
learned in the scouts! ... there, we got her over that hump!" And then
we never see the girl again.

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- Where the hell was the obligatory Christmas song? Throw us a fricken
bone here!

----
One cliche that didn't appear.

This show could use a few more cliches these days.

Post by Hunter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- And of course I won't even mention that, by my tally, there were
nowhere near the advertised 300 patients we were promised. I'm going to
stop counting E.R. patients and start counting E.R lies. I know they
far exceed 300.

----
It was over a 24 hour period we came in at hour 12 I think, got to check
the tape.
It sounds to me you are critizing ER for the sake of critizing.

I like to think of it as "tough love". But since the "love" is
essentially gone, perhaps you're right: kicking the show as it goes down
in flames is all we have left.

Post by Hunter
I thought
it was a good episode with lots of medical drama that many here say they
want.

Must have been a different show, because the only medical anything I saw
was "Possibly Drunk Guy vs. Pedestrian Girl" and "DNR Lady + Downs
Syndrome Boy + Old New Father", and neither had an overhelping of drama.

But on the latter, I will give the show one more dribble of credit:

MORRIS: "You the father?"
OLD DUDE: "Yeah."
MORRIS: "Have some balls and go in there." [WALKS AWAY]

That was awesome.

[unknown]

On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:54:10 GMT, Dropping The Helicopter

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
stupid supreme with extra cheese and guacamole.

That had to be the worst moment in this entire series.

Post by Dropping The Helicopter
- Morris BREAKS FRANK'S HAND TO WIN A BET and NOBODY CALLS THE COPS AND
HAS HIM HAULED AWAY? W. H. A. T??!??!??!?

Why didn't that get him fired?

And i'm amazzed that Frank didn't punch him out.

Also who pays for the incidental expenses? I'd assume
Frank will be out of work for a while, he'll miss
a number of days of work. Is Morris going to cover
his mortgage, etc.?

And then there is the thousands of dollars in hospital
bills Frank will rack up. Is Morris going to cover those
too?

I hope they don't try to put that through as workers comp.
It should be paid for 100% by Morris.

Finally what was with the tribute to all those who died?
Do hospitals actually do that? And if you're going
to do that don't just have a list of names, put a
human face on those people. I know what they
were trying to do but the whole left me very cold.

(Maybe contact the family and get a photo of the
patient in a happier moment? Yeah it would be
more work and the family may not want to
co-operate but it sure beats the scrolling of
alot of names that looked like it was put together
by a beaurocrat.

Either do it right or don't bother doing it at all.
Oh and you might want to do the presentation as if
the family is there and you want to do right by them.

(Please tell me the names of the dead weren't counted
in the 300 patients in last nights episode.)

All in all as someone who has seen alot of people
die in past years I found the whole thing very distasteful.

[sharon]

snip

Post by unknown
Finally what was with the tribute to all those who died?
Do hospitals actually do that?

Yes, they do it in the chapel once a year. It's called a remembrance
service and does not involve washing hands in sterile basins or anything
else like it. It's about half an hour long, consists of readings and
prayers like any church service and is open to all employees and the public
(families of those who have died in the hospital over the previous year are
issued invitations), anyone who wants to attend. The notion that a COUNTY
HOSPITAL would allow a chaplain to conduct a religious service in the midst
of a busy shift in the ER in which employees really had no choice but to
participate is just laughable.

Sharon

[n***@indiana.edu]

Post by sharon
snip

Post by unknown
Finally what was with the tribute to all those who died?
Do hospitals actually do that?

Yes, they do it in the chapel once a year. It's called a remembrance
service and does not involve washing hands in sterile basins or anything
else like it. It's about half an hour long, consists of readings and
prayers like any church service and is open to all employees and the public
(families of those who have died in the hospital over the previous year are
issued invitations), anyone who wants to attend. The notion that a COUNTY
HOSPITAL would allow a chaplain to conduct a religious service in the midst
of a busy shift in the ER in which employees really had no choice but to
participate is just laughable.

Except of course they DID have a choice. (And, obviously, some chose
not to, since there WERE people stll working in the ER at the time.)

Naomi

Post by sharon
Sharon

[sharon]

Post by n***@indiana.edu

Post by sharon
snip

Post by unknown
Finally what was with the tribute to all those who died?
Do hospitals actually do that?

Yes, they do it in the chapel once a year. It's called a remembrance
service and does not involve washing hands in sterile basins or anything
else like it. It's about half an hour long, consists of readings and
prayers like any church service and is open to all employees and the public
(families of those who have died in the hospital over the previous year are
issued invitations), anyone who wants to attend. The notion that a COUNTY
HOSPITAL would allow a chaplain to conduct a religious service in the midst
of a busy shift in the ER in which employees really had no choice but to
participate is just laughable.

Except of course they DID have a choice. (And, obviously, some chose
not to, since there WERE people stll working in the ER at the time.)
Naomi

There are many people who feel pressured when faced with those sorts of
situations in the workplace and who would not feel that they really had a
choice in whether or not to participate when others were doing it. Would an
intern feel comfortable declining to attend if his senior resident told him
to go? What if there is an attending who is well known for their religious
beliefs who tells the staff at morning report how important it is for them
to attend? What if the nurse manager is openly born again and the newest
nurse on the unit doesn't feel comfortable telling her boss she isn't
religious and doesn't want to attend? People can and do feel pressured to
attend these 'voluntary' events which is why they should never be held in
the midst of the workday or in the middle of the workplace.

A good example of people feeling pressured to participate in certain events
in the workplace is the blood drive. If you've donated blood in the past
couple of decades, you know that there is a private questionnaire for the
donor to fill out and it culminates in the donor placing a UPC sticker on
the bag for their blood indicating to the Red Cross whether it should use
the unit or not. Why did that happen? Because many workplaces have blood
drives. And many gay people are not out to their coworkers. The Red Cross
was getting panicked phone calls from gay men who donated because of
workplace pressure but who were HIV positive or had engaged in dangerous
behaviors recently but didn't feel comfortable refusing to participate at
work.

Sharon

[n***@indiana.edu]

Post by sharon

Post by n***@indiana.edu

Post by sharon
snip

Post by unknown
Finally what was with the tribute to all those who died?
Do hospitals actually do that?

Yes, they do it in the chapel once a year. It's called a remembrance
service and does not involve washing hands in sterile basins or anything
else like it. It's about half an hour long, consists of readings and
prayers like any church service and is open to all employees and the public
(families of those who have died in the hospital over the previous year are
issued invitations), anyone who wants to attend. The notion that a COUNTY
HOSPITAL would allow a chaplain to conduct a religious service in the midst
of a busy shift in the ER in which employees really had no choice but to
participate is just laughable.

Except of course they DID have a choice. (And, obviously, some chose
not to, since there WERE people stll working in the ER at the time.)
Naomi

There are many people who feel pressured when faced with those sorts of
situations in the workplace and who would not feel that they really had a
choice in whether or not to participate when others were doing it. Would an
intern feel comfortable declining to attend if his senior resident told him
to go? What if there is an attending who is well known for their religious
beliefs who tells the staff at morning report how important it is for them
to attend? What if the nurse manager is openly born again and the newest
nurse on the unit doesn't feel comfortable telling her boss she isn't
religious and doesn't want to attend? People can and do feel pressured to
attend these 'voluntary' events which is why they should never be held in
the midst of the workday or in the middle of the workplace.

Very true IRL. But the way it was presented on the show, it was
completely voluntary, many people didn't even seem to know about it
until the last minute ... and it really wasn't even 'religious' in any
real sense. (Fitting with Julia's character, it was 'spiritual' but
not religious.)

Post by sharon
A good example of people feeling pressured to participate in certain events
in the workplace is the blood drive. If you've donated blood in the past
couple of decades,

Nope. I'm bad. I really should .... (I tried twice back when I was
younger. The first time I was too light. [Naomi looks ruefully down
at her waistline and knows that that will never be an issue
again ...]. The second time, after poking around for 20 minutes, they
couldn't find a vein and gave up.

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Naomi