OT ~ Well, this is disconcerting...

Post by Cory
"Does Bush proposal threaten access to the pill?
White House seeks to protect health-care workers who object to abortion"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25940818/
FTR and FWIW, it has NEVER made sense to me why in the world people who
are morally opposed to abortion would choose to work in an area of
health care that includes women's reproductive rights, and that includes
pharmacists.
They know what they are getting into when they sign on for the job. To
think that they can just choose not to uphold their obligations to their
patients who seek birth control/RU-486 (mifapristone???) because they
are opposed to the practice of contraception, and thus, try and overrule
the law, not to mention the majority of people in this country who DO
think abortion or birth control should be a legal practice available to
all women, is morally reprehensible.
If you don't like the fact that your profession can legally dispense
contraceptives and the abortion pill, then you need to get the hell out
of the way and let someone take over your JOB who does agree with Roe v.
Wade and other related laws on the books that relate to reproductive
rights.
--- Cory

I'm pretty conservative but I pretty much agree. I won't go so far as
"profession" though. There's lots of OB/GYNs that don't do abortions. If
a Catholic OB/GYN wants to refuse to prescribe the pill and he can build
a practice regardless, then whatever. But if you don't agree with your
employer's stance on any issue, and you find that it puts you in an
uncomfortable position, then you should find a new employer.

Cory

2008-08-01 13:12:45 UTC

Post by Still.Angrie

EXACTLY.

IMVHO, it's one thing if you have a private practice... just you (or if
you own/operate your own pharmacy, just you and your family). Then I
say you can do or say whatever the hell you want WRT birth
control/abortion. However, when you're working FOR the freaking local
Walgreens, or, say, Mayo Clinic, you MUST be able to abide by their
rules and regulations governing contraceptive prescriptions or
abortions. If you can't abide by the corporate policy WRT
abortions/contraceptives, THEN DON'T GET A FREAKING JOB THERE.

It just doesn't seem like frickin' rocket science to me to be able to
figure that out.

--- Cory

--
"Life without liberty is like a body without spirit." --- Kahlil Gibran

Gabrielle

2008-07-31 14:45:05 UTC

Post by Cory
FTR and FWIW, it has NEVER made sense to me why in the world people who
are morally opposed to abortion would choose to work in an area of
health care that includes women's reproductive rights, and that includes
pharmacists.

It never has made sense to me either. It would be akin to a
Christian Scientist becoming a pharmacist and then telling
the customers don't with this medication that doctor prescribed,
go home and pray harder.

Also when these health care professionals are opposed to abortion
and birth control are they going to fork over enough money
to cover the $200,000+ it takes to raise a child in 2008? And are
these health care professional going to volunteer to help care
for the child? (Take the baby to the doctor when mom has to work?
Baby sit for the baby when mom needs help?

Cory

2008-08-01 13:06:04 UTC

In article <***@4ax.com>,
***@emailprivate.com says...
<snip...>

Post by Gabrielle
Also when these health care professionals are opposed to abortion
and birth control are they going to fork over enough money
to cover the $200,000+ it takes to raise a child in 2008? And are
these health care professional going to volunteer to help care
for the child? (Take the baby to the doctor when mom has to work?
Baby sit for the baby when mom needs help?

Probably not, but they WILL tell Mom AND Dad that if they didn't want
kids, they should've kept their legs shut, which is just SO not the
answer.

--- Cory

--
"Life without liberty is like a body without spirit." --- Kahlil Gibran

DawnK

2008-07-31 23:13:48 UTC

Cory,

I don't get it, either!

Dawn

Cory

2008-08-23 05:51:29 UTC

In article <eHrkk.7688$***@newsfe03.iad>, ***@lakebreeze.org
says...

Post by DawnK

Cory,
I don't get it, either!
Dawn

BTW, speaking of politics, and if anyone cares, AP is reporting that the
Democratic nominee for POTUS, Barack Obama, has chosen Sen. Joe Biden of
Delaware to be his Vice Presidential running mate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/veepstakes

I literally learned this news five minutes ago, so I honestly don't know
what to make of this... yet.

--- Cory

--
An anonymous Knoxville Central High School student is quoted as saying,
"Dad, this is the kind of stuff that makes you scared to go to school",
after learning about the shooting at Knoxville Central High School on
8/20/08

Xena

2008-08-23 15:00:45 UTC

Post by Cory
BTW, speaking of politics, and if anyone cares, AP is reporting that the
Democratic nominee for POTUS, Barack Obama, has chosen Sen. Joe Biden of
Delaware to be his Vice Presidential running mate.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/veepstakes
I literally learned this news five minutes ago, so I honestly don't know
what to make of this... yet.
--- Cory

A text message went out officially moments ago.

I wonder if Obama / Biden are elected will Biden continue to
live in Delaware and commute to DC?

(The way I undertand it is Biden after his wife and several kids were
killed in a car crash in the 70s he made a commitment to return
home every day to raise his remaining kids. He continues to do that
even today.)

Maybe

2008-08-23 15:56:49 UTC

Post by Xena
I wonder if Obama / Biden are elected will Biden continue to
live in Delaware and commute to DC?
(The way I undertand it is Biden after his wife and several kids were
killed in a car crash in the 70s he made a commitment to return
home every day to raise his remaining kids. �He continues to do that
even today.)

If he becomes vice president, I'm sure his wife and any kids remaining
at home will move to the VP house in Washington, DC with him. They
have a house for the VP.

His two older sons are in their 30's and probably have families of

Post by Xena
Biden's elder son, Beau, was a partner in the Wilmington law firm of Bifferato, Gentilotti, Biden & Balick, LLC and was elected Attorney General of Delaware in 2006. He is a captain in the Delaware Army National Guard, where he serves in the Judge Advocate General's (JAG) Corps. He is set to be deployed to Iraq in October, 2008.[7] Biden's younger son, Hunter, works as a lawyer in Washington, DC, serves on the board of directors of Amtrak, and previously worked in the Commerce Department.<

Maybe...it was because the two older sons were injured in the accident
that he wanted to get home every night.

Alison Dubois

2008-08-23 20:45:52 UTC

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:00:45 -0400, Xena

Post by Xena
A text message went out officially moments ago.

At 3am this Friday night/Saturday morning.

Post by Xena
I wonder if Obama / Biden are elected will Biden continue to
live in Delaware and commute to DC?

He may commute but the secret service won't let him do on
a train.

Cory

2008-08-23 22:21:57 UTC

Post by Alison Dubois
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:00:45 -0400, Xena

Post by Xena
A text message went out officially moments ago.

At 3am this Friday night/Saturday morning.

Post by Xena
I wonder if Obama / Biden are elected will Biden continue to
live in Delaware and commute to DC?

He may commute but the secret service won't let him do on
a train.

I absolutely believe that, in this post-9/11 world, the Secret Service
isn't going to let the VPOTUS commute, period.

Also, since Maybe mentioned the VP residence, here's the Wikipedia
link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_One_Observatory_Circle

"Number One Observatory Circle is the official residence of the Vice
President of the United States.

Located on the grounds of the United States Naval Observatory in
Washington, D.C., the house was built in 1893 for its superintendent.
The Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) liked the house so much that in 1923
he took over the house for himself. It remained the residence of the CNO
until 1974, when Congress authorized its transformation to an official
residence for the Vice President. The congressional authorization
covered the cost of refurbishment and furnishing the house.

Before that time, the Vice President lived in his own home, but the cost
of providing security for these private residences had become
prohibitive.

Although Number One Observatory Circle was made available to the Vice
President in 1974, three years passed before a Vice President lived
full-time in the home. Vice President Gerald Ford became President
before he could use the home, and his Vice President, Nelson
Rockefeller, primarily used the home for entertaining since he already
had a residence in Washington. Vice President Walter Mondale was the
first Vice President to move into the home and every Vice President
since has lived in the house.

The Vice Presidential mansion was refurbished by the United States Navy
in early 2001, only slightly delaying the move of new Vice President
Dick Cheney and his family..."

--- Cory

Paige Matthews

2008-08-24 01:07:30 UTC

Post by Alison Dubois
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:00:45 -0400, Xena

Post by Xena
A text message went out officially moments ago.

At 3am this Friday night/Saturday morning.

Post by Xena
I wonder if Obama / Biden are elected will Biden continue to
live in Delaware and commute to DC?

He may commute but the secret service won't let him do on
a train.

I absolutely believe that, in this post-9/11 world, the Secret Service
isn't going to let the VPOTUS commute, period.

I'm not so sure about that. When I went to college our
governor used to ride the subway to the state house every day.
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if he was elected
president.

But I still remember to this day when he would set foot onto
the subway

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=157111

Maybe

2008-08-24 01:26:45 UTC

Post by Alison Dubois
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:00:45 -0400, Xena

Post by Xena
A text message went out officially moments ago.

At 3am this Friday night/Saturday morning.

Post by Xena
I wonder if Obama / Biden are elected will Biden continue to
live in Delaware and commute to DC?

He may commute but the secret service won't let him do on
a train.

I absolutely believe that, in this post-9/11 world, the Secret Service
isn't going to let the VPOTUS commute, period.

I'm not so sure about that. � When I went to college our
governor used to ride the subway to the state house every day.
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if he was elected
president. �

The vice president of the United States of America who is a heartbeat
away from being the president of the United States is not going to be
allowed to commute to work. They are going to put him up in the Naval
Observatory locked up all nice and secure. Then when he has places to
go, they will pull up a tank like limo and load him in it and bring
him where he needs to go.

His former life of commuting and traveling alone is over now, The
military and secret service will be in charge of his comings and
goings.

Maybe...and I'm sure he will get used to it

Cory

2008-08-24 04:56:09 UTC

In article <0b918764-6591-4b8d-936f-dbe7f793cb26
@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, ***@aol.com says...

Post by Alison Dubois
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:00:45 -0400, Xena

Post by Xena
A text message went out officially moments ago.

At 3am this Friday night/Saturday morning.

Post by Xena
I wonder if Obama / Biden are elected will Biden continue to
live in Delaware and commute to DC?

Obama + Biden = O'Biden, BTW... at least that's what the media is
starting to refer to them as. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

Post by Alison Dubois
He may commute but the secret service won't let him do on
a train.

I absolutely believe that, in this post-9/11 world, the Secret Service
isn't going to let the VPOTUS commute, period.

I'm not so sure about that. When I went to college our
governor used to ride the subway to the state house every day.
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if he was elected
president.

The vice president of the United States of America who is a heartbeat
away from being the president of the United States is not going to be
allowed to commute to work. They are going to put him up in the Naval
Observatory locked up all nice and secure. Then when he has places to
go, they will pull up a tank like limo and load him in it and bring
him where he needs to go.
His former life of commuting and traveling alone is over now, The
military and secret service will be in charge of his comings and
goings.
Maybe...and I'm sure he will get used to it

Paige Matthews

2008-08-24 14:15:21 UTC

Post by Cory
OK, so I can't remember for sure, but isn't Biden one of the ranking
members on Foreign Relations or something like that?

Chairman of Foreign Relations.

If a member of the

Post by Cory
Senate is a ranking member on one of the more notable committees, I am
under the assumption that they are offered SS protection during times of
crisis (e.g.: 9/11).

I believe he got secret service protection back prior to January.
I believe all the candidates got it after Obama had a threat on
his life and Clinton had the hostage incident at her campaign
headquarters in New Hampshire.

That secret service protection probably ended when Biden ended his
campaign.

Post by Cory
Thus, to allow the VPOTUS to commute to work would be a little bit more
problematic. S/he could have Islamic or Muslim or Canadian or abortion
extremists lunging at them on the sidewalks of Washington D.C. at any
given moment, or a sniper on the roof of a building could take a shot at
'em at any given time that they aren't in the limo (and if you're going
to walk to and from work, you DO spend a LOT more time exposed to
potential danger vs. being in a secured limosine <sp?>), and to deny
such a scenario could happen would be ignorant at best.

I would point out every week there is someone trying to gain
access to the white house grounds. Many of them are "death
by cop" type incidents. i.e. someone wants to commit suicide
they get the cops to shoot them.

Now Biden could continue to live in his Delaware house, they just
get him there by limo or Air Force 2 rather than train.

rhino

2008-09-21 21:53:16 UTC

"Cory" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@nntp.motzarella.org...
In article <0b918764-6591-4b8d-936f-dbe7f793cb26
@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, ***@aol.com says...

Post by Alison Dubois
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:00:45 -0400, Xena

Post by Xena
A text message went out officially moments ago.

At 3am this Friday night/Saturday morning.

Post by Xena
I wonder if Obama / Biden are elected will Biden continue to
live in Delaware and commute to DC?

Obama + Biden = O'Biden, BTW... at least that's what the media is
starting to refer to them as. Just thought I'd throw that out there...

Post by Alison Dubois
He may commute but the secret service won't let him do on
a train.

I absolutely believe that, in this post-9/11 world, the Secret Service
isn't going to let the VPOTUS commute, period.

I'm not so sure about that. When I went to college our
governor used to ride the subway to the state house every day.
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if he was elected
president.

The vice president of the United States of America who is a heartbeat
away from being the president of the United States is not going to be
allowed to commute to work. They are going to put him up in the Naval
Observatory locked up all nice and secure. Then when he has places to
go, they will pull up a tank like limo and load him in it and bring
him where he needs to go.
His former life of commuting and traveling alone is over now, The
military and secret service will be in charge of his comings and
goings.
Maybe...and I'm sure he will get used to it

OK, so I can't remember for sure, but isn't Biden one of the ranking
members on Foreign Relations or something like that? If a member of the
Senate is a ranking member on one of the more notable committees, I am
under the assumption that they are offered SS protection during times of
crisis (e.g.: 9/11).

My point is that I think Biden's already a bit used to living in a SS
bubble of protection... maybe not to the extreme that the POTUS or
VPOTUS live in a SS bubble, but still... oh... BTW, Paige, you're
talking about a governor of a state, a person in a position that
virtually nobody else in the world would have a problem with except
whichever state you live in. What I and others are talking about is the
Vice President of the United States.

Thus, to allow the VPOTUS to commute to work would be a little bit more
problematic. S/he could have Islamic or Muslim or Canadian or abortion
extremists lunging at them on the sidewalks of Washington D.C. at any
given moment,

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Canadian?!!! Have Canadians recently acquired an image of being terrorists
or extremists in the US?

I thought we were perceived as "those nice people up north".....

[I see that this thread is weeks old but I've only just noticed it. I
haven't been on this newsgroup in a while.]
--
Rhino
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

or a sniper on the roof of a building could take a shot at
'em at any given time that they aren't in the limo (and if you're going
to walk to and from work, you DO spend a LOT more time exposed to
potential danger vs. being in a secured limosine <sp?>), and to deny
such a scenario could happen would be ignorant at best.

--- Cory

Cory

2008-09-22 05:13:40 UTC

Post by Cory
In article <0b918764-6591-4b8d-936f-dbe7f793cb26
@a8g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, ***@aol.com says...

Post by Alison Dubois
On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:00:45 -0400, Xena

Post by Xena
A text message went out officially moments ago.

At 3am this Friday night/Saturday morning.

Post by Xena
I wonder if Obama / Biden are elected will Biden continue to
live in Delaware and commute to DC?

Obama + Biden = O'Biden, BTW... at least that's what the media is
starting to refer to them as. Just thought I'd throw that out there...